[AGL] Talk of seduction--a gambit against the will...

[Frances Morey]

I've come to realize that since men think of sex every ten minutes of every waking day--that would make it hard for the woman to "think of it first". What do you mean about "awakening of desire"? If the man is coming on to a woman, attempting to awaken the desire, I would have to consider that he thought of it first. Somewhere I read that women truly desire the sex one out of every four times that it takes place. In that case I must consider three-quarters of all sex rape. 
  Sorry, Michael, my favorite sex is when I see someone and say, "Hmmm. I want to have sex with that one." Otherwise I am merely providing the service for vaginal masturbation. BTW for a woman to become "wet" is not a brain based response to erotic activity. It's merely a lubricant against the friction, not the spurt associated with climax as involved in male orgasm. It's before but not associated with the actual female orgasm.
  Enough already, any more of this line of talk will cost ya'.
  Fracnes
   
  

Michael Eisenstadt <michaele at ando.pair.com> wrote:
  Frances wrote::


> I came to my conclusion about what constitutes rape when I read "Against 

> Our Will" by Susan Brownmiller. She posits that it is seduction/rape 

> whenever it isn't the woman's idea first. I believe that since we are the 

> ones with the wombs it is up to us to determine when and with whom we have 

> sex. I admit to being alcohol impaired every time I got raped. Jumping to 

> a victim conclusion does come rather easily.


Frances,

Would you elaborate a bit on "when it isn't the woman's idea first." After 
the desire is awakened in you, what exactly do you ask yourself before 
deciding to proceed? Perhaps the thought is that the desire now lodged in 
the woman is somehow there against her will. Hegel, on the other hand, says 
that the highest level of erotic desire, available only to humans, is one's 
desire for the desire of the other.

Does your last sentence mean that you are now withdrawing from what you 
wrote earlier? That in some way the victim is enjoying it. This is known in 
the literature as rape fantasizing (with a grey-eyed stranger) which is 
considered normal and sells a lot of Harlequin paperback novels. Jumping to 
the victim conclusion melds into rape fantasizing during the actual act. 
Neat idea!

Best,

Mike







 
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