[AGL] Re: Bats in the belfry
Wayne Johnson
cadaobh at shentel.net
Sun Jun 18 01:17:45 EDT 2006
Frances.
Quite frankly your remarks scare the shit out of me. Rabies is NOT like the flu or the plague or dengue fever or malaria. No one's "system" repeat NO ONE has any "immunity" to rabies. You either don't have it or if you have been bitten or exposed and you don't get the shots, then you will die and it will be unpleasant beyond your imagination.
Don't fuck around with your life, Frances!
Talk to the damn doctor. If he/she says you are OK, then.........maybe.....you are, but if you have as much as a headache within the next twenty-four to forty-eight hours, you go directly to the hospial and explain the situation.
We just ran this damn drill this past month when we rescued a 150# Great Pyrenees bitch from US 66 and couldn't determine whether or not she had been vaccinated. Many years ago, because of a conversation I had with a guy down at the Texas Health department, who had just lost a professional colleague to rabies (via aerosol transmission, btw) I have kept a very close tab on rabies - what has it, what isn't likely to have it and what to do if you come into "close" contact with an animal which has it.
So far as I know, only one person, a young girl, has survived rabies after symptoms showed up. They immersed her in an ice bath which lowered her temperature wayyyy down and I believe she lived. I hope it didn't return. As I said, that is the only case I know of with a survival which is why I said it was 99.99% fatal. Probably now it is considered only 99.999998% fatal. Previously it was 100%. As in all who get it, die. Just one of the reasons Louis Pasteur was considered such a great man in Frances (other reason being that he personally saved the grape growers from losing all their stock at one time.)
No expense would deter either Honor or I from getting shots if I thought those were the possible odds. With the dog, she is fine and she did have her shots when she was a puppy. We were covered with blood and saliva so we were worried. But as the vets said here in VA, dog rabies is much "less virulent" than bat rabies. There was a case of a young pregnant woman getting bitten by a bat she picked up on an Arizona highway. Two days later, in California, she was dead. Ouch.
Also, get a gd screen for that window or shut it. That LBJ "has this problem all the time" is just another bullshit, dumb-ass Texas response to things that "smart" people would try deal with but in Texas gets passed off until someone dies or has their dick fall off. At least you don't have that problem.
But, ini the final analysis, it's your life, not mine. I am just an emotional old fogey who gets all upset and worried when I think a friend or acquaintance isn't trying to take care of themselves. "Live hard, die young and leave a sweet memory" is for teenagers and idiots.
Cheers.
wayneJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Bats in the belfry
Wayne,
Just when I thought I had solved the bat problem, there were "noises" suggesting that there was something or someone else in the apartment. Wouldn't ya' know, there was a second bat that spent the night, and day, here. Because of all your cautions I went to the security desk to mention the bat's presence to Daniel, on duty tonight. He indicated that this was routine at RBJ Tower. Apparently we are in the bat's flight pattern. He immediately accompanied me back to the apartment, used a towel to cover the animal and then shook it out the window. He liked my aquarium dip net solution and said he would ask management to buy one for the building, perhaps larger than the one I have, more like a butterfly net.
Wayne, I come from European stock that survived the bubonic plague--I think my immune system can handle a few bat molecules in the air, after all these aren't vampire bats, and I ain't a mosquito.
Best,
Frances
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh at shentel.net> wrote:
Frances.
No amount of "health insurance" matters if you contract rabies. Rabies is 99.99% fatal. There are two series of shots: one group is given in the butt or arm and is fairly painless; the other, the original one, is a series taken in the solar plexus and it is the one everybody hates. The longer you wait the more likely you would wind up with the dreaded original series. I do wish you would talk to your doctor about this.
I am not the person for whom the "everything is all right" nostrum works. Every time in my life, someone has said "don't worry about it" the roof caves in.
Yes I am paranoid and yes I am emotional and no I wouldn't modify either factor for all the money on Bill Gates' credit card.
wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Bats in the belfry
Wayne,
I didn't have any contact what-so-ever with the bat and "captured" it with a fish net and, as I described, manouvered it into a large mouth plastic jar. Then I held it out the window until it flew away. Since Mexican free-tail bats are the ones that have taken up residence in the Congress Avenue Bridge, I would be willing to bet that it is one.I don't need to "drop the dime" as I have health insurance
now, and an appointment with the doctor next week. Not to worry, Wayne, everything is all right.
Frances
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh at shentel.net> wrote:
Frances.
So. You "captured" a bat! What kind of bat? If it was a Mexican "Free Tail" bat, then I hope you are aware that between 80 and 90% of that particular species carries rabies. Others, somewhat less. Now, I know there will be an explosion of "bat protectiveness" and "rabies denial" from other on the List, but for GOD'S SAKE TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR! Call the Texas Health Department and/or Animal control. Talk to your friend John Meadows (Austin musician/actor) about his "bat in the eye" experience. You should have kept the bat, Frances. It was kind to the bat to let it go, but potentially bad for Frances.
Bat rabies is more virulent than other forms, ie. skunk, dog, etc. Did this bat "touch" you in any way, shape or fashion? Did you wash your hands afterwards? You may well need to get shots. Oh, some will doubtless say, there goes Wayne AGAIN...all Agitated and Emotional but those who demure and deny are essentially gambling with YOUR life, not theirs.
Likely all will be well, especially if it didn't piss on you or breathe on you or, of course, actually bite you. Bat bites, btw, are very hard to see as their teeth are very small.
Drop the dime, Frances. Call the Health Department or your doctor. Listen to what they have to say, not me, not others, listen to them, they know the odds as well as the cases as well as all the gruesom descriptions of how your brain begins to shut down and the blindness, hallucinations and drooling begin.
Drop the dime.
wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Bats in the belfry
My favorite food groups. Mmmm.
Good morning, Wayne, et. al.,
In another vein, I suppose it was inevitable, me being a fresh air freak and all. On my early morning trip to the bathroom a shadowy thing skittered across the floor. Eek a mouse was my first instinct. But no, it turned out that a visiting bat came in my wide open window overnight. I watched it fly circles around the room unable to find its way out the window. When it stopped to rest I caught it with a fish tank dip net and manouvered it into a large mouth jar. I was tempted to keep it for a while to show the visiting grand kinder but it seemed so scared and alone that I opted to hold it out the window and let it fly away.
Best,
Frances
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh at shentel.net> wrote:
Well, aren't the basic ingredients for much "cuisine"...butter, cream and brandy?
burp....
wgJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Threadgill's gratitude, not--/Eddie Wilson
Actually, Threadgill's, the original, was famous for being open for beer for breakfast--for the alcoholics who needed a venue open and selling beer at 7:00 a.m. not fat ladden vegetables that woulda made Julia Child proud. I picked up one of JC's vegetable preparation tapes and for Julia vegetables were primarily a delivery system for butter. She slathered every vegetable in the tape demonstration in it. EW's vegetables make Big Mac's seem low fat.
I spent much of 1972 in a "conscienciousness raising group" with a group of smart interesting women many of whom worked at the UT Press. Every Wednesday we would bring our six packs and spend a few hours in someone's living room cussin' and discussin' the state of women in general along with our own personal laments. One of the women was Genie Wilson, then the wife of EW. Well! She was the only one working when the Armadillo was getting off the ground, supporting a crowd of unpaid employees of EW's who were crashing at her house. You could sorta see the divorce a comin'.
FM
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh at shentel.net> wrote:
I am not a lawyer either but there are, I think, special copyright laws regarding the use of a person's name. Threadgill's was clearly named for the owner, Ken Threadgill. Not Norman or Butch or Wally or Rita, etc. If Ken did not exclude the use of his name in the transfer deed then I suspect EW had a legitimate claim for its use. Like Proctor & Gamble buying Scholz Garten and keeping the name. Somewhere in the Texas code I imagine these things are covered as a "sign" as on the front of the establishment, didn't say "food" it said "Threadgills" therefore Threadgills would be a "brand" would it not? Who knows? Well, Jack might have known.
shit.
wayne J
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Threadgill's gratitude, not--/Eddie Wilson
We were told by Becky Threadgill, at a recent reunion dinner for four of us at the restaurant bearing her father's name on North Lamar, that nothing had been paid nor offered to Kenneth or his family for the use of the family name. Kenneth was the Threadgill for EW's restaurant operations so named, not just ANY Threadgill.
You noted that EW bought the lot and building, not the business. I'm no lawyer either but there was a long term goodwill from the business traditon associated with the name. To pick it up and use it without compensation seems brash.
FM
Gerry <mesmo at gilanet.com> wrote:
Millions of people named Threadgill. Should he have compensated them all?
I'm not a lawyer but I assume that when you a buy a business you are entitled to use the name of same as part of the deal.
BTW, how do you know what he may or may not have given to Kenneth over the years?
G
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances Morey
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: Threadgill's gratitude, not--/Eddie Wilson
As EW's largess may be for hippydom only, he never gave one sou to the Threadgill family for the use of the name.
Frances
Gerry <mesmo at gilanet.com> wrote:
Eddie made his underground debut as the manager of Shiva's Head Band in late '69. Prior to the that he was goodwill man for the Texas Brewer's Association (or something like that). In the summer of '70 he was busy putting the Armadillo on the air. But he could very well have seen Janis when she was in town. I was in Montreal at the time and did not attend.
I was the drummer for Shiva's while he was the manager. He was not a hippy, had short hair, and few underground connections, had not dropped acid nor been to San Francisco, etc. But he had a vision of what was happening and was eager to join in and promote the lifestyle and make a few bucks. His musical tastes were strictly folkie at the time and he was a buddy of singer Stan Alexander who was teaching English in Nacogdoches. Shiva's did a benefit for SNICK (?) in Nacogdoches at the National Guard Armory, a very scary gig since slavery was still practiced in those parts and the locals did not warm up to longhairs from Austin supporting the radicals who were stirring up the Black folk.
Personally I doubt if he ever attended a Threadgill's hippie show. But he understood the historical connection. I was around him regularly in the late '70's when he and a partner with money bought the Threadgill's lot and building. He was super-enthusiastic about the prospects of opening a restaurant and promoting the redneck-hippy history of the place. (Don't forget that it was he who was running the Armadillo when the first redneck-hippy fusion took place in the early '70's. And it was he who first booked Willie and launched what would become that unlikely social oddity that took off with the July 4th picnics.)
His original plan for Threadgill's was to preserve the old building and expand it. But a fire of mysterious origins wiped out the old place (which was a real wreck) and the eventual restaurant building was completely new construction, borrowing from the original design. I recall the opening of the restaurant and being well pleased at the job he had done in creating a unique image of an old-time honky tonk complete with an old bar he had purchased and various other antiques which were blended into the building making it look like it was old.
Eddie always supported underground artists, especially Jim Franklin. I would bet that Jaxon had a good payday for his work on the cookbook. BTW, Kenneth used to play weekly at the original restaurant and Eddie had a genuine love for the old man whose name and reputation he cashed in on. The gigs finally stopped when Kenneth could no longer control his bladder.
So, it is immaterial as to whether Eddie actually saw Janis and Kenneth play in the early '60's. He did see the importance of the connection and has been telling the world about it for nearly 50 years now.
G
----- Original Message -----
From: Connie Clark
To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AGL] Re: The Threadgill,s gatherings/Eddie Wilson
That's correct.. The KT and JJ duo was just as Harry describes and was out at Oak Hill, I believe, Summer (maybe August) of 70. She died October 70. I was there, tripping.
Connie
Harry Edwards <laughingwolf at ev1.net> wrote:
Frances, the event to which you refer was Threadgill's birthday. Janis
flew in from Hawaii and sang "Me and Bobby McGee" and "Sunday Morning
Coming Down," strumming a guitar and nursing a tumbler of tequila. I
didn't know it but we were saying goodbye, for she died not too long
afterwards. (JJ's birthday is in January.)
twisty
On Jun 16, 2006, at 12:36 AM, Frances Morey wrote:
> Connie,
> As I understood it there were several occasions on which Janis and
> Kenneth Threadgill appeared at the same time on the same venue, even
> sang together. The most publicized was when it was Janis' birthday not
> too long before she died. EW might have been a witness on that
> occasion rather than earlier at the service station before Janis made
> it big, and when Mr. Threadgill still owned it. I remember that one. I
> missed her much touted birthday appearance. Eddie Wilson as an Austin
> boy surely could have been part of the crowd at either one.
> Frances
>
> Connie Clark wrote:
>>
>> Mike E.
>> I remember that you were often at Threadgill's for the Wednesday
>> night jams, even with your violin sometimes, right?
>>
>> Question has been put as to whether anyone remembers Eddie Wilson
>> there. I saw him on a biographical tv show about Janis, and he spoke
>> of her as if a witness to her singing with KT.
>>
>> Do you remember seeing him at KTs? I never knew him so I guess I
>> wouldn't have noticed anyway.
>>
>> Connie
>>
>> Fontaine Maverick wrote:
>>> Ahem. I was there a number of times in '62, '63 at the age of 15 &
>>> 16, still
>>> at Austin High. Including the night that I tried peyote for the
>>> first time
>>> with my older college boy date (you know who you are). Janis told us
>>> we had
>>> to settle down, or leave.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Harry Edwards"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: The Threadgill,s gatherings/Eddie Wilson
>>>
>>>
>>> >I dunno. Just googled a 1997 Texas Monthly story about our Eddie,
>>> and
>>> > he was 53 then. He'd be 61 or 62 now, mebbe not quite old enough
>>> to've
>>> > been at Threadgill's when JJ was there. twisty
>>> >
>>> > On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:14 AM, R. StJohn wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Compadres,
>>> >> Take a look at Jaxon's Threadgill's history that
>>> >> is in the back of the Threadgill's Cookbook. I don't
>>> >> remember Eddie being there either but I would be the
>>> >> last to question the historical accuracy of Jaxon's
>>> >> research.
>>> >>
>>> >> R. P.
>>> >>
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