Response
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Wed Sep 1 23:03:06 2004
Wow. What a Tease!
I hope you gain ten pounds.
You and yur durned cookies.
poo.
wgJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Loving" <lovingigor@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Response
> It doesn't matter just move to Mexico and live the good life.... OH oh
> cookies are ready in the kitchen I can smell them.. oK got to go eat hot
> cookies now... back soon.. cookies are more important than politics or the
> DNC or the RNC.. Long live cookies..
>
>
>
>
> >From: Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >CC: Ghetto 2 <GHETTO2@LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
> >Subject: Re: Response
> >Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Yegads, this is getting way out of hand!
> >
> >I'm not sure if it's simply testosterone, or the dog
> >days of August, but all this bickering and back and
> >forth heckling is for the birds! Like, if you want to
> >fight, fight, but not at everyone else's expense!
> >
> >What's truly amazing to me is that everyone finds
> >fault with everyone--there doesn't seem to be any
> >recognizable thread, other than that folks tend to get
> >on each other's nerves--the "he's just an asshole"
> >syndrome. So what else is new?! Is it like, when in
> >doubt, diss? Can't we aspire to greater heights as
> >humans in allowing each other our little
> >eccentricities? When it gets hot, go inside! Level
> >out the bumps and dents with some sane activity, and
> >the recognition that now is now, but not forever.
> >Otherwise the dishes would never get done!
> >
> >And cleaning out the pot isn't such a bad thing to do,
> >both literally and figuratively, on occasion. Get it
> >out, let it hang--better than rank hypocrisy. But
> >this constant altercation is wearing on the nerves.
> >
> >For starters, I'm not really interested in other
> >people's fights, unless I consider them worthy of my
> >advocacy. Generally, those are people who can't stand
> >up for themselves and could use my help. In your
> >cases, I feel you are adequately secure on your turf
> >(relative to many) as educated humans to enable you to
> >articulate with intelligence what you feel. Yet there
> >is so much willingness to offend and to be offended!
> >C'mon!
> >
> >Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
> >windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there's
> >one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
> >what? You send a blip out of the blue talking about
> >how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
> >but you don't forward the e-mail. There's no way to
> >know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
> >rightly figured it was personal. You seek to elicit
> >sympathy and outrage for overt hostilities directed at
> >you (you poor thing), yet I've seen you give as good
> >as you get! And you're not the only one engaged in
> >this strife! Others on the list routinely find fault
> >with each other as though it were their only chance to
> >tell it like it is, but come back just because they
> >like to see themselves talk. Is this all life is
> >about? Fighting??!!! Perhaps what we really seek is
> >reconciliation and the only way to do it is to pick a
> >fight.
> >
> >Or perhaps we could read with equanimity each others'
> >posts and stay the course whether we agreed with each
> >other or not. The amazing thing about the Ghetto list
> >is that people are COMMUNICATING
> >
> >In any case, all this talk about ethnicism and racism
> >is just that-talk. The truth is in the pudding, and
> >you'll know that when you taste it. But you, Mike,
> >imagine it. You see a shadow behind every post. Many
> >of those shadows are just that--figments induced by an
> >imaginative perception. Perhaps we don't control
> >every aspect of our reality, but our attitude pretty
> >much defines how we react to it. We've been dealing
> >with people through e-mails as entities out in the
> >ether, on a not-so-real band of reality. There is a
> >screen of insubstantiality in e-mails, unlike the
> >snail mail. It's as though you've got the radio on
> >and there's a persistent hum of people's minds making
> >their gerbil rounds in their cages. Perhaps we all
> >need to come back into the world of human beings!
> >
> >And for your information, Mike, and perhaps to bring
> >you back up or down from whatever perch you're
> >occupying, you are not a constant subject on the G2
> >list, other than as an occasional forward from "your"
> >list. Know this from a perennial lurker. You are
> >developing paranoid conceptualizations, as ever, as
> >you enumerate at length friends and acquaintances in
> >consideration of their possible view of you. Get
> >real! Unless they have a lot of time on their hands
> >(which some of them may, lucky them), they don't have
> >time to think about you! Come home, E.T., come home!
> >
> >Pepi
> >
> >--- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Let it be said once again, for all and any who might
> > > be interested, that I
> > > am a firm believer in the idea or concept of Jewish
> > > Sovereignty in their
> > > historic homeland. Just as in this country, there
> > > are those who hold
> > > extremely conservative and/or racist views. It goes
> > > without saying that
> > > there must be an incredible test of goodwill and
> > > patience for anyone living
> > > in Israel these days to *not* develop a simmering
> > > hatred for all things
> > > Arabic or Palestinian. How would I resist this? I
> > > do not know.
> > > Nevertheless, there are many who do and who try,
> > > within the legal means left
> > > to them, to ameliorate the extreme policies of the
> > > Likkud and others with a
> > > narrow (and possibly racist) view of Palestinian
> > > rights. This is a sad, sad
> > > situation because they too have a right to a "home
> > > land". Sadder still, in
> > > my opinion, is the way these poor (literally and
> > > figuratively) people have
> > > become pawns in Arabic (read oil) politics. The
> > > richers "kingdoms" have
> > > spent next to nothing on these people and that is
> > > shameful beyond words. So
> > > much for "Arab Unity" a phrase, even T.E. Lawrence
> > > learned was oxymoronic.
> > >
> > > For those with any lingering doubts, I will state
> > > yet again my loathing for
> > > all things anti-Semitic. It is with the gravest
> > > sorrow that I learn how
> > > many Jewish patrons and politicians and back-stage
> > > manipulators are immersed
> > > in the wretchedly run U.S. State Department. I am,
> > > of course, referring to
> > > Perle and Wolfowitz. However, in the next breath,
> > > it must be noted that
> > > there are a prominent number of African-Americans
> > > with equally loathsome
> > > political leanings: Rice, Thomas and Powell. And
> > > so it goes. Sometimes a
> > > Chinese or Korean spokesperson chimes in with the
> > > latest American Facist
> > > cant. No group is immune from the personal
> > > ambitions or greed or poor
> > > character of its citizens....especially when they
> > > become "politicians." The
> > > Kennedy family was roundly hated in Boston, even by
> > > other Irish Catholic
> > > Democratic voters because of their heavy-handedness
> > > and lust for power. As
> > > I said, every basket seems to have some bad apples.
> > >
> > > Now. As for Jon's wife, whom I have never
> > > met....although Honor and I did
> > > have a brief dinner meeting with Jon once in Palo
> > > Alto some years ago, I
> > > would never wittingly hurt, insult, defame or want
> > > to cause her any grief or
> > > embaressment. (Well, unless she was an ardent
> > > Cheney supporter....then????)
> > > Jon is correct in defending her. I would do the
> > > same. Have done the same.
> > > I wouldn't expect a physical dust-up over anything
> > > that passed between Jon
> > > and myself, but should one or the other insult the
> > > other's wife, well
> > > then.........a man's got to do what a man should do.
> > >
> > > I am pleased that Mike understands my often wierd
> > > reactions but then our
> > > mutual wierdness goes back a long way. It is safe
> > > to say, that from time to
> > > time, both of us can be major pains in the ass (pain
> > > in the asses?) but that
> > > we have some redeeming qualities. All of us do.
> > > Jon, whom I have grown to
> > > dislike (for personal grieveances) contributed to
> > > one of the SF Bay's best
> > > literary (poetry) ventures. He can write a damn
> > > good poem and many times
> > > his comments and observations are droll, funny and
> > > quite on the mark. I
> > > understand how he can take umbrage with some of the
> > > things Gerry says.
> > > Heaven knows, I do too. Jon thinks I am a Jerk;
> > > Gerry thinks I am a Fool.
> > > Fontaine thinks I am some kind of childish
> > > gunslinger. Jeff thought and may
> > > still think that I am a bore or boor. So it goes.
> > >
> > > But gee, all I ever really wanted was to be the
> > > Class Clown.
> > >
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > wayneJ
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@HotPOP.com>
> > > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: I had told Jim Strong that he was full
> > > of it but the expression
> > > seemed so anodyne and unlikely to give offense
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jon Ford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Wayne and Gerry: Since you don't read my posts,
> > > I can feel free to call
> > > > you
> > > > > a couple of jerks. Cowards too. If Mike got such
> > > an email as he
> > > describes
> > > > > here, insulting his wife, etc., he would clearly
> > > have a right to be
> > > upset.
> > > > > The cowards on the Jim Strong list consistently
> > > insult Mike behind his
> > > > back,
> > > > > calling him insane, etc. I used to think Mike
> > > was a bit rash, but he
> > > > > certainly is no more vicious, belittling, and
> > > wacko than you two!
> > > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for defending me. But I don't think you
> > > have ever
> > > > even met Wayne Johnson and may never have met
> > > Gerry
> > > > Storm likewise.
> > > >
> > > > Wayne is an old and dear and respectful friend of
> > > mine
> > > > and my wife and his fictional "explanations" or
> > > spoofs of
> > > > me and other things are consistently amusing. As
> > > for
> > > > how heavy handed he has been in speaking of me in
> > > > a forum to which I am not subscribed, I doubt that
> > > it is
> > > > much different from the way he writes when he
> > > knows
> > > > I will read it.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Baldauf was introduced to ghettoites by Roger.
> > > > Once he forgot himself and was rather nasty about
> > > > me in a spoof posted to agl where I could read it.
> > > > When I wrote to him off list in remonstrance, he
> > > > apologized profusely. So I can well imagine that
> > > > he let's himself go full tilt on Jim Strong's
> > > doppelgaenger
> > > > maillist ghetto2. I've met him a few times at
> > > reunions
> > > > and face to face he has been unfailingly polite.
> > > If
> > > > that's not the case behind my back, well it's a
> > > free
> > > > country.
> > > >
> > > > I did not know Gerry very well at all but we were
> > > > fellow patrons of Fletcher Boone's Raw Deal, that
> > > > being the west Sixth street branch of Fletcher's
> > > > bar empire. If he laughs at Wayne's revelation of
> > > > the LEGUME conspiracy, he may well. I did. I don't
> > > > remember him ever taking up cudgels against
> > > > one of my viewpoints on agl. Some subscribers
> > > > gave him a hard enough time so as to drive him
> > > > away for awhile but eventually he came back.
> > > > I miss his vivid descriptions of events in the
> > > back
> > > > country in New Mexico which he used to post here,
> > > > I dont miss his advice what diet and drug regimen
> > > > everyone should follow which advice no doubt he is
> > > > dispensing without a license on JSDGMLG2.
> > > >
> > > > I dont know if Gerry has been speaking bad of me
> > > > behind my back. Maybe, maybe not.
> > > >
> > > > As for Jim Strong, Simmons, Ted Samsel, they
> > > > really REALLY do not like me one little bit.
> > > Likewise
> > > > Fontaine which I think may have something to do
> > > > with my having been taken to California by her
> > > > mother Terrelita in 1983 and what a trip that was!
> > > >
> > > > And Jon, as for your posts being blocked by
> > > > other subscribers, this may have been threatened
> > > > but it is hard to do with maillists, since your
> > > mail
> > > > comes from the maillist's address, not yours.
> > > > Depends on how the maillist is set up.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > >
> >=== message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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