Response

[Igor Loving]

It doesn't matter just move to Mexico and live the good life.... OH oh 
cookies are ready   in the kitchen I can smell them.. oK got to go eat hot 
cookies now... back soon.. cookies are more important than politics or the 
DNC or the RNC.. Long live cookies..




>From: Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>CC: Ghetto 2 <GHETTO2@LISTSERV.WHATHELPS.COM>
>Subject: Re: Response
>Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:28:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Yegads, this is getting way out of hand!
>
>I’m not sure if it’s simply testosterone, or the dog
>days of August, but all this bickering and back and
>forth heckling is for the birds! Like, if you want to
>fight, fight, but not at everyone else’s expense!
>
>What’s truly amazing to me is that everyone finds
>fault with everyone—-there doesn’t seem to be any
>recognizable thread, other than that folks tend to get
>on each other’s nerves—-the “he’s just an asshole”
>syndrome.   So what else is new?!  Is it like, when in
>doubt, diss? Can’t we aspire to greater heights as
>humans in allowing each other our little
>eccentricities?  When it gets hot, go inside! Level
>out the bumps and dents with some sane activity, and
>the recognition that now is now, but not forever.
>Otherwise the dishes would never get done!
>
>And cleaning out the pot isn’t such a bad thing to do,
>both literally and figuratively, on occasion.  Get it
>out, let it hang—-better than rank hypocrisy.  But
>this constant altercation is wearing on the nerves.
>
>For starters, I’m not really interested in other
>people’s fights, unless I consider them worthy of my
>advocacy.  Generally, those are people who can’t stand
>up for themselves and could use my help.  In your
>cases, I feel you are adequately secure on your turf
>(relative to many) as educated humans to enable you to
>articulate with intelligence what you feel.  Yet there
>is so much willingness to offend and to be offended!
>C’mon!
>
>Mike, you remind me of Don Quixote, fighting
>windmills! You want to pick a fight whether there’s
>one there or not! Is this a late midlife crisis, or
>what?  You send a blip out of the blue talking about
>how you were insulted by an e-mail sent by Jim Strong,
>but you don’t forward the e-mail.  There’s no way to
>know what Jim meant without seeing it, albeit he
>rightly figured it was personal.  You seek to elicit
>sympathy and outrage for overt hostilities directed at
>you (you poor thing), yet I’ve seen you give as good
>as you get! And you’re not the only one engaged in
>this strife! Others on the list routinely find fault
>with each other as though it were their only chance to
>tell it like it is, but come back just because they
>like to see themselves talk.  Is this all life is
>about? Fighting??!!! Perhaps what we really seek is
>reconciliation and the only way to do it is to pick a
>fight.
>
>Or perhaps we could read with equanimity each others'
>posts and stay the course whether we agreed with each
>other or not.  The amazing thing about the Ghetto list
>is that people are COMMUNICATING
>
>In any case, all this talk about ethnicism and racism
>is just that—talk.  The truth is in the pudding, and
>you’ll know that when you taste it.  But you, Mike,
>imagine it.  You see a shadow behind every post.  Many
>of those shadows are just that--figments induced by an
>imaginative perception.  Perhaps we don’t control
>every aspect of our reality, but our attitude pretty
>much defines how we react to it.  We’ve been dealing
>with people through e-mails as entities out in the
>ether, on a not-so-real band of reality.  There is a
>screen of insubstantiality in e-mails, unlike the
>snail mail.  It’s as though you’ve got the radio on
>and there’s a persistent hum of people’s minds making
>their gerbil rounds in their cages.  Perhaps we all
>need to come back into the world of human beings!
>
>And for your information, Mike, and perhaps to bring
>you back up or down from whatever perch you’re
>occupying, you are not a constant subject on the G2
>list, other than as an occasional forward from “your”
>list.  Know this from a perennial lurker.  You are
>developing paranoid conceptualizations, as ever, as
>you enumerate at length friends and acquaintances in
>consideration of their possible view of you.  Get
>real! Unless they have a lot of time on their hands
>(which some of them may, lucky them), they don’t have
>time to think about you! Come home, E.T., come home!
>
>Pepi
>
>--- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> > Let it be said once again, for all and any who might
> > be interested, that I
> > am a firm believer in the idea or concept of Jewish
> > Sovereignty in their
> > historic homeland.  Just as in this country, there
> > are those who hold
> > extremely conservative and/or racist views.  It goes
> > without saying that
> > there must be an incredible test of goodwill and
> > patience for anyone living
> > in Israel these days to *not* develop a simmering
> > hatred for all things
> > Arabic or Palestinian.  How would I resist this?  I
> > do not know.
> > Nevertheless, there are many who do and who try,
> > within the legal means left
> > to them, to ameliorate the extreme policies of the
> > Likkud and others with a
> > narrow (and possibly racist) view of Palestinian
> > rights.  This is a sad, sad
> > situation because they too have a right to a "home
> > land".  Sadder still, in
> > my opinion, is the way these poor (literally and
> > figuratively) people have
> > become pawns in Arabic (read oil) politics.  The
> > richers "kingdoms" have
> > spent next to nothing on these people and that is
> > shameful beyond words.  So
> > much for "Arab Unity" a phrase, even T.E. Lawrence
> > learned was oxymoronic.
> >
> > For those with any lingering doubts, I will state
> > yet again my loathing for
> > all things anti-Semitic.  It is with the gravest
> > sorrow that I learn how
> > many Jewish patrons and politicians and back-stage
> > manipulators are immersed
> > in the wretchedly run U.S. State Department.  I am,
> > of course, referring to
> > Perle and Wolfowitz.  However, in the next breath,
> > it must be noted that
> > there are a prominent number of African-Americans
> > with equally loathsome
> > political leanings: Rice, Thomas and Powell.   And
> > so it goes.  Sometimes a
> > Chinese or Korean spokesperson chimes in with the
> > latest American Facist
> > cant.  No group is immune from the personal
> > ambitions or greed or poor
> > character of its citizens....especially when they
> > become "politicians."  The
> > Kennedy family was roundly hated in Boston, even by
> > other Irish Catholic
> > Democratic voters because of their heavy-handedness
> > and lust for power.  As
> > I said, every basket seems to have some bad apples.
> >
> > Now.  As for Jon's wife, whom I have never
> > met....although Honor and I did
> > have a brief dinner meeting with Jon once in Palo
> > Alto some years ago,  I
> > would never wittingly hurt, insult, defame or want
> > to cause her any grief or
> > embaressment.  (Well, unless she was an ardent
> > Cheney supporter....then????)
> > Jon is correct in defending her.  I would do the
> > same.  Have done the same.
> > I wouldn't expect a physical dust-up over anything
> > that passed between Jon
> > and myself, but should one or the other insult the
> > other's wife, well
> > then.........a man's got to do what a man should do.
> >
> > I am pleased that Mike understands my often wierd
> > reactions but then our
> > mutual wierdness goes back a long way.  It is safe
> > to say, that from time to
> > time, both of us can be major pains in the ass (pain
> > in the asses?) but that
> > we have some redeeming qualities.  All of us do.
> > Jon, whom I have grown to
> > dislike (for personal grieveances) contributed to
> > one of the SF Bay's best
> > literary (poetry) ventures.  He can write a damn
> > good poem and many times
> > his comments and observations are droll, funny and
> > quite on the mark.  I
> > understand how he can take umbrage with some of the
> > things Gerry says.
> > Heaven knows, I do too.  Jon thinks I am a Jerk;
> > Gerry thinks I am a Fool.
> > Fontaine thinks I am some kind of childish
> > gunslinger.  Jeff thought and may
> > still think that I am a bore or boor.  So it goes.
> >
> > But gee, all I ever really wanted was to be the
> > Class Clown.
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > wayneJ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@HotPOP.com>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: I had told Jim Strong that he was full
> > of it but the expression
> > seemed so anodyne and unlikely to give offense
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jon Ford wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wayne and Gerry: Since you don't read my posts,
> > I can feel free to call
> > > you
> > > > a couple of jerks. Cowards too. If Mike got such
> > an email as he
> > describes
> > > > here, insulting his wife, etc., he would clearly
> > have a right to be
> > upset.
> > > > The cowards on the Jim Strong list consistently
> > insult Mike behind his
> > > back,
> > > > calling him insane, etc. I used to think Mike
> > was a bit rash, but he
> > > > certainly is no more vicious, belittling, and
> > wacko than you two!
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > Thanks for defending me. But I don't think you
> > have ever
> > > even met Wayne Johnson and may never have met
> > Gerry
> > > Storm likewise.
> > >
> > > Wayne is an old and dear and respectful friend of
> > mine
> > > and my wife and his fictional "explanations" or
> > spoofs of
> > > me and other things are consistently amusing. As
> > for
> > > how heavy handed he has been in speaking of me in
> > > a forum to which I am not subscribed, I doubt that
> > it is
> > > much different from the way he writes when he
> > knows
> > > I will read it.
> > >
> > > Jim Baldauf was introduced to ghettoites by Roger.
> > > Once he forgot himself and was rather nasty about
> > > me in a spoof posted to agl where I could read it.
> > > When I wrote to him off list in remonstrance, he
> > > apologized profusely. So I can well imagine that
> > > he let's himself go full tilt on Jim Strong's
> > doppelgaenger
> > > maillist ghetto2. I've met him a few times at
> > reunions
> > > and face to face he has been unfailingly polite.
> > If
> > > that's not the case behind my back, well it's a
> > free
> > > country.
> > >
> > > I did not know Gerry very well at all but we were
> > > fellow patrons of Fletcher Boone's Raw Deal, that
> > > being the west Sixth street branch of Fletcher's
> > > bar empire. If he laughs at Wayne's revelation of
> > > the LEGUME conspiracy, he may well. I did. I don't
> > > remember him ever taking up cudgels against
> > > one of my viewpoints on agl. Some subscribers
> > > gave him a hard enough time so as to drive him
> > > away for awhile but eventually he came back.
> > > I miss his vivid descriptions of events in the
> > back
> > > country in New Mexico which he used to post here,
> > > I dont miss his advice what diet and drug regimen
> > > everyone should follow which advice no doubt he is
> > > dispensing without a license on JSDGMLG2.
> > >
> > > I dont know if Gerry has been speaking bad of me
> > > behind my back. Maybe, maybe not.
> > >
> > > As for Jim Strong, Simmons, Ted Samsel, they
> > > really REALLY do not like me one little bit.
> > Likewise
> > > Fontaine which I think may have something to do
> > > with my having been taken to California by her
> > > mother Terrelita in 1983 and what a trip that was!
> > >
> > > And Jon, as for your posts being blocked by
> > > other subscribers, this may have been threatened
> > > but it is hard to do with maillists, since your
> > mail
> > > comes from the maillist's address, not yours.
> > > Depends on how the maillist is set up.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
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