surprise! god is in each of us...
Frances Morey
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Tue Mar 30 13:11:13 2004
tele,
Hindu, schmindu! Religions, they are all alike to me--just kidding. You make it sound like a delightful place. Thanks for the link. I have known some wonderful East Indians, some of whom have become lifelong friends.
Frances
--- On Tue 03/30, telebob < telebob@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
From: telebob [mailto: telebob@sbcglobal.net]
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:45:29 -0600
Subject: RE: surprise! god is in each of us...
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=484063816-30032004>Jesus
Frances! That is NOT a mosque out on Camp Ben McCullogh Road. That
is Barsana Dam, and it is an Indian Hindu community.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=484063816-30032004><A
href="http://barsanadham.org">http://barsanadham.org</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=484063816-30032004>They
are great people and it is wonderful little community out there. They have
some very coloful festivals, and I suggest you check out their calendar and
attend. I used to go with my daughter and stepson every year for several
years. They loved the elephant rides and the henna
'tattoos'.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=484063816-30032004>They
have the best peaches in Texas.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=484063816-30032004>Shree
Telebhob</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Frances
Morey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 11:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: surprise! god is in
each of us...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Pepi,</DIV>
<DIV>I have never been to a mosque either. We ought to go to the one out 290
on the way to the Salt Lick. It has $38,000 worth of gleaming gold tile on the
entrance built up so high you can see it from the road. I would love
to view it up close, and see what the service is like. I thought
Gregorian chant in the Chapel at Our Lady of the Lake was wonderful.</DIV>
<DIV>Francse<BR><BR><B><I>Pepi Plowman <pepstoil@yahoo.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">The
only thing I ever liked about church was the<BR>music. The sermons put me to
sleep. We had one<BR>fairly intelligent and educated minister at
our<BR>community church in Puerto La Cruz (we shared it with<BR>the
Catholics, who came in for 8 a.m. mass)--he<BR>sometimes gave thought
provoking sermons, but then we<BR>got a fire and brimstone guy and everyone
slept<BR>through his exhortations. He was always trying to<BR>save
somebody--kind of like a Jesus salesman. I liked<BR>Quaker meeting because
it was quiet sometimes, except<BR>for when people got up to speak. The
Episcopalians and<BR>Catholics seemed to do a lot of up and down and
repeat<BR>after me stuff. I've never been to a temple of any<BR>kind or a
mosque, for that matter. I'm crazy for all<BR>the major choral works,
especially Bach. I sang them<BR>in choirs in highschool and later. There was
some<BR>totally inspired church music written that makes me<BR>want to fly
when I hear it.<BR>pep<BR>--- Wayne Johnson
<CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> My problem is that most of my early
Church<BR>> experience was filled with horrid white anglo saxon<BR>>
protestant hypocricy and utter dismissal of other<BR>> religions whilst
insisting that Jesus should be the<BR>> half back on your football team.
This drivel would<BR>> stun a ground hog for its imbecility but seemed
to<BR>> go over big in Georgetown in the Fifties. The<BR>> single
person of deep religious faith that I knew<BR>> personally and respected
was Rev. Heinsohn of the<BR>> University Methodist Church on the Drag. I
worked<BR>> there as a night-time custodian whilst a student at<BR>>
UT. He was a gentleman, a true Biblical scholar and<BR>> his sermons were
absent of cliche or dumb harangues.<BR>> By any measure, a great person
and a credit to our<BR>> species.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Frances Morey <BR>> To:
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net <BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:54
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: surprise! god is in each of us...<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> Wayne,<BR>> These incidences of kindness are multiplied<BR>>
thousands of times as church members all over are<BR>> moved to help
their fellow humans. I've seen it in<BR>> action and even experienced
some of it myself in my<BR>> darkest moments. The church is the Other
place, away<BR>> from home and the husstle 'n' bustle of the<BR>>
marketplace, where people can be quite and<BR>> contemplative in
humility, surrounded by peace and<BR>> quiet or ethereal music, and
participating in the<BR>> familiar and predictable process of the
liturgy, if<BR>> a Mass, or listening to preachments alternating
with<BR>> the singing of hymns, if they happen to be<BR>> protestant.
I always prefered the Catholic practice<BR>> of keeping the whole service
to an hour, homily and<BR>> all. That is merely the excuse for being
together,<BR>> though. Perhaps god is really the human matrix in<BR>>
which we immerse ourselves and the churches are<BR>> places we are able
to find other humans who are<BR>> capable and willing to express good
will--I believe<BR>> that is so, anyway. My church experiences have
been<BR>> as described and if not I certainly let them hear<BR>> about
it. But that's another story.<BR>> Frances <BR>> <BR>> Wayne
Johnson <CADAOBH@SHENTEL.NET>wrote:<BR>> I just found out yesterday that
a very dear<BR>> friend of our in Reston has<BR>> contract ALS and it
has already progessed to the<BR>> point where he can barely<BR>> brush
his teeth and can't clothe himself. He and<BR>> his wife had joined
a<BR>> local Unitarian church a couple of years ago and<BR>> these
good people have<BR>> taken it upon themselves to provide a world
of<BR>> kindness, gentleness, love<BR>> and direct physical and
emotional assistance to<BR>> him and his wife. This<BR>> includes
visits, shopping trips with and without<BR>> him, food deliveries
and<BR>> compansionship.<BR>> <BR>> To my old timey way of
thinking, this is what<BR>> "churches" used to do: love<BR>> people
and be supportive of those in need. Every<BR>> so often it is good (for
me<BR>> in particular) to be reminded that there are<BR>> those who
actually practice<BR>> what their religion suggests is
"Christian"<BR>> behavior. Of course, the<BR>> Unitarians aren't
exactly boil! er-plate,<BR>> orthodox, Holey-Rollers. I believe<BR>>
Ben Franklin was a Unitarian and possibly G.<BR>> Washington as well.
Not<BR>> exactly Bible thumpers. Many of these<BR>> congregations
accept neo-pagan<BR>> beliefs without rancor. (Oddly, the only
other<BR>> church I have found with<BR>> similar sentiments was a
(Scottish) Episcopal<BR>> church in Campbell, CA.<BR>> Campbell being
vurrry Scottish as a person and a<BR>> clan.<BR>> <BR>> Anyway.
Have to say sometimes the sysems works<BR>> and works to the benefit
of<BR>> some who really, really deserve it.<BR>> <BR>> wj<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Pepi Plowman" <BR>> To:
<BR>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:45 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: let's
not do nuance<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Wayne, Judy, Tele,<BR>>
><BR>> > I'm with you all the way on the first part.<BR>> God,
what<BR>> > God? Which God? But allow me to elaborate<BR>>
further,<BR>> > below...<BR>> > --- telebob wrote:<BR>> >
> Wayne-<BR>> > ><BR>> > >! ; I think as you do, and
thank you for<BR>> reminding us<BR>> > > that most priests
and<BR>> > > factotems are basically criminals who spread<BR>>
> > cultural myths<BR>> ><BR>> > totally. Myths that
preceded that particular<BR>> religion<BR>> > which the priests and
factotems accepted as<BR>> truth and<BR>> > preached, or myths that
were flagrantly made<BR>> up to<BR>> > suit a cultural bias in
order to bring more<BR>> ignorant<BR>> > humans to the
"fold".<BR>> ><BR>> > (all the better<BR>> > > if they
believe what they preach, it makes<BR>> it easier<BR>> > > for
them to sleep)in<BR>> > > order to retain and extend personal
and<BR>> > > institutional power. This is not to<BR>> > >
say that there are no benefits, since those<BR>> common<BR>> > >
mythyologies help to<BR>> > > create a 'public order' no matter
what the<BR>> standard.<BR>> > > Are religious<BR>> > >
societies 'better' than secular societies?<BR>> ><BR>> > Fuck,
no!<BR>> ><BR>> > How do<BR>> > > ! we measure? These
are<BR>> > > topics worthy of millions of tomes, and<BR>> indeed
you<BR>> > > know they are out there<BR>> > > discussing
this shit still, like a bunch of<BR>> > > sophomores who have
just<BR>> > > dicovered 'philosophy'.<BR>> ><BR>> > How
dare they abuse us by discussing them?!<BR>> State and<BR>> >
religion should not mix, Point!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > But my
dad, who was a doctor, was in a<BR>> > > 'philosophical' mood one
night, a<BR>> > > little in his cups, and he related. "I
watch<BR>> people<BR>> > > die and people born<BR>> > >
every day as a part of my job, and all I can<BR>> say is,<BR>> >
> 'Where does the flame<BR>> > > go when it goes out?' Does the
flame have a<BR>> soul?"<BR>> ><BR>> > So, did he ever answer
his question, or did he<BR>> just<BR>> > ask?<BR>> ><BR>>
> > He was not a religious<BR>> > > man, though he tried to
keep up appearances.<BR>> On the<BR>> > > other hand, he
was<BR>> > > 'moral' person w! ho enjoyed overpaying his<BR>>
taxes and<BR>> > > never breaking a traffic<BR>> > >
law.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So when we are approached by 'holy
men' of<BR>> any<BR>> > > stripe, know you are being<BR>>
> > approached by the powers of darkness.<BR>> ><BR>> > Do
you really believe there is a Big Boogyman<BR>> out<BR>> >
there?!<BR>> ><BR>> > This includes<BR>> > > rabbis,
priests,<BR>> > > mullahs, and most medicine men. I put my<BR>>
faith in<BR>> > > the scientific method and<BR>> > > its
self correcting process.<BR>> > ><BR>> ><BR>> > Man,
I'd hate to be on the back end of a "self<BR>> > correcting process"
inflicted on me by a<BR>> source<BR>> > outside myself (like
doctors and lawyers and<BR>> > policemen) when I had resources
available to<BR>> me that<BR>> <BR>=== message truncated
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