The Irish
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Mon Mar 29 07:59:44 2004
It is well known that all White Southern Men are Direct Descendants
from....gasp....Scottish Criminal! The Scots, as is well known, are: dour,
given to murdering their sweethearts, playing ghastly music made from animal
bellies and some idiotic outdoor game named flog or glof or something.
As for the phenomenon known as "projection". I used to work in a little
movie house in G'town which had a "projectionist'. He wasn't married! What
does that tell you? Huh? Huh?
I hope we got this settled once and for all, as per my family's well known
Motto:
Let us eschew obfuscation!
B.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: The Irish
> Wayne-- Don't get me started on those piss-headed drunkards! I myself am
> 1/4 Irish at least, and I keep batting away at that 1/4 saying, "Get offa
my
> back, Paddy!" Seriously, it's one of the essential qualities of racism to
> hate part of oneself or one's own background-- and them to project that
> hatred onto others to somehow get free of certain undesirable qualities
one
> knows lie deep within. Why else would white Southern men, commonly known
for
> their drunken, lecherous, slothful ways, accuse Blacks of being possessed
by
> those exact same qualities? Just a thought!
>
> Jon
>
>
> >From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Subject: Re: Reverse racism?
> >Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:52:54 -0500
> >
> >Well, everything is OK, except, of course, for the Irish, who, as we
all
> >know are sub-human!
> >
> >May the Liffy swallow your shoes!
> >
> >Paddy O'Bubba McGowen
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
> >To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:00 PM
> >Subject: Reverse racism?
> >
> >
> > > Pepi-- Sorry I had a bit of trouble having a "clear
> read" of your post.
> > > Maybe you lost credibility to me with the "past
lives"
> stuff. I totally
> > > believe that this is "mumbo jumbo"--the Buddhist ideas
> on reincarnation
> >can
> > > work as a metaphor for enhancing one's Karma on this earth to
> avoid coming
> > > back as a lower form of being in another frame of being, but the
> literal
> > > reincarnation in the Bridey Murphy stuff is just the mind
working
> >overtime
> > > to create fictional personas. Better to go write a novel, or a
> series of
> > > them! Thus I couldn't quite believe the other strange aspects
of
> your
> > > "family story." Well, it's an interesting bit of
> autobiography, as is the
> > > part about being raped and then living with black people in part
> out of
> > > "reverse racism." I can't really judge your response
to
> your rape-- sounds
> > > like you were trying to cope in your own way. I hope it worked
for
> you.
> >But
> > > did this "reverse racism" really wipe out your anger
(I
> assume you had
> >some
> > > negative responses to being raped-- this would seem normal)? My
> point in
> >my
> > > post was that, as Michael E. suggests, a little bit of
> unconscious
> >racism
> > > still hangs around, even if we consciously understand other
> cultures and
> > > ethnic groups and even if we do extreme penance to eradicate
the
> feeling
> >of
> > > difference. Admitting and coping with such feelings is better
than
> > > repressing and denying them.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > &gt;From: Pepi Plowman &lt;pepstoil@yahoo.com&gt;
> > > &gt;Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt;To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt;Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
> > > &gt;Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:28:50 -0800 (PST)
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Jon,
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Sorry my posts are ununderstandable to you--in the
> > > &gt;last one, the stories about being burned in the ovens
> > > &gt;and being a Buddhist monk are past lifetimes--the part
> > > &gt;about my sister and I being born in a prison camp in
> > > &gt;the Philippines and her living in Israel for eight
> > > &gt;years took place in this lifetime and is no fantasy.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;Insofar as racism and ethnicism is concerned--it's
> > > &gt;true, it's available to all, especially if one has no
> > > &gt;experience of other cultures. I was raped (and so was
> > > &gt;my little sister, Gayle) by black men and I made it a
> > > &gt;goal to not become a racist because of it. If
> > > &gt;anything as regards black people, I am a reverse
> > > &gt;racist, because I esteem so much about them. I hung
> > > &gt;out mostly with African Americans when I lived in
> > > &gt;Berkeley because I felt more comfortable with them.
> > > &gt;
> > > &gt;pep
> > > &gt;--- Jon Ford &lt;jonmfordster@hotmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt; Pepi-- I want you to know that I can read
pretty
> > > &gt; &gt; well and I tried hard to
> > > &gt; &gt; read your last post, but you are so psychic
you
> > > &gt; &gt; don't seem to know fantasy
> > > &gt; &gt; from reality. I can't tell which part of your
> > > &gt; &gt; family's bio is
> > > &gt; &gt; reincarnation-tales, which is fantasy or weird
> > > &gt; &gt; family stories somewhat
> > > &gt; &gt; varnished by time,
> > > &gt; &gt; which is just sheer crank-talk. But I do know
> that I
> > > &gt; &gt; didn't intend to insult
> > > &gt; &gt; you or call you or your sister a racist in my
> post
> > > &gt; &gt; to Mike E. I was talking
> > > &gt; &gt; in general of such bunk as &quot;Israelis
> are
> > > &gt; &gt; reincarnated
> > > &gt; &gt; Nazis&quot; and where such thoughts evolve
> from, how they
> > > &gt; &gt; are related to other
> > > &gt; &gt; thoughts such a false analogy as
> &quot;Zionism is
> > > &gt; &gt; Fascism&quot;. I wanted to open the
> > > &gt; &gt; discussion into a more general sense of
illogic
> and
> > > &gt; &gt; mental infection by
> > > &gt; &gt; slogans. On the other hand, the comments Mike
> > > &gt; &gt; recently made about the
> > > &gt; &gt; difficulty of total acceptance of people of
> other
> > > &gt; &gt; races/cultures rings true.
> > > &gt; &gt; There is always a trace of
> &quot;difference&quot; in our
> > > &gt; &gt; dealings with people of other
> > > &gt; &gt; cultures and ethnicities; we can suppress
these
> > > &gt; &gt; feelings and try to be
> > > &gt; &gt; totally one with all the world, but in the
long
> run,
> > > &gt; &gt; it's better to
> > > &gt; &gt; acknowledge the little bit of unconscious
racism
> we
> > > &gt; &gt; all carry around in us.
> > > &gt; &gt; Acknowledging it won't make it go away, but it
> may
> > > &gt; &gt; prevent it from biting us
> > > &gt; &gt; in the butt or coming back to us inr dreams
and
> > > &gt; &gt; bizarre fantasies about
> > > &gt; &gt; reincarnation.
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; Jon
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;From: Pepi Plowman
> &amp;lt;pepstoil@yahoo.com&amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Reply-To:
> austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;To:
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Subject: Re: let's try to do
nuance
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:58:22
> -0800 (PST)
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Mike, this is getting ridiculous!
I
> really
> > > &gt; &gt; can't
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;answer questions that have no
basis
> in any
> > > &gt; &gt; knowledge
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;other than a set-in-stone,
> vituperative point of
> > > &gt; &gt; view.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; So rather than answer your
> questions, I will
> > > &gt; &gt; tell you
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;a little bit about myself and my
> sisters.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;First of all, the Plowman girls
are
> all pretty
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;consciously psychic. Which is to
> say, we are
> > > &gt; &gt; privy to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;circumstances, feelings, vibes,
> future events,
> > > &gt; &gt; AND
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;past ones, by virtue of staying in
> touch with
> > > &gt; &gt; that
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;part of ourselves. It can happen
in
> waking life
> > > &gt; &gt; as
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;well as in the dream world. I
would
> think that
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;everyone has this same capacity,
but
> most don't
> > > &gt; &gt; access
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;it. With good reason. Sometimes
it
> can be
> > > &gt; &gt; scary.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Two of my sisters, the one in
> question, as well
> > > &gt; &gt; as
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;another, believe they were burned
in
> the ovens
> > > &gt; &gt; as Jews
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;in their lifetime immediately
> previous to this
> > > &gt; &gt; one.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;I, however, was a Buddhist monk,
> traveling on
> > > &gt; &gt; the
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Asian island I lived on. We had
> camped in a
> > > &gt; &gt; bombed
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;out temple for the night. I hated
> women in that
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;lifetime, considering them the
> lowest of the
> > > &gt; &gt; low,
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;which accounts for my having the
> sexism problem
> > > &gt; &gt; I have
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;in this lifetime. I perceive
myself
> as a man in
> > > &gt; &gt; a
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;woman's body, but I'm a homosexual
> man, so I
> > > &gt; &gt; love men.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; Sounds weird, I know. But
anyway,
> we were
> > > &gt; &gt; bombed
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;again in that temple, and I went
> skyrocketing up
> > > &gt; &gt; to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;come down, very ambivalently, I
> might add, into
> > > &gt; &gt; my
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;mother's womb in the Philippines.
> My parents
> > > &gt; &gt; spent
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;four years in the Philippines in a
> Japanese
> > > &gt; &gt; prison
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;camp where both I and my older
> sister were born.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;This same older sister emigrated
to
> Israel as a
> > > &gt; &gt; Jew.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;She lived in Eilat for eight years
> and taught in
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;kubbutzi, speaks Hebrew (I'll be
YOU
> don't!),
> > > &gt; &gt; had a
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;beautiful girl child by an Iraqi
Jew
> whom she
> > > &gt; &gt; adored.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;I would say, if anything, my
sisters
> are
> > > &gt; &gt; products of
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;my parents' view--having known
> people from the
> > > &gt; &gt; world
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;over--they love ALL people.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;My mother lived in Japan for seven
> years
> > > &gt; &gt; previous to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;WWII and corresponded after the
war
> with many
> > > &gt; &gt; Japanese
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;friends she had there. She
returned
> in the 80s
> > > &gt; &gt; to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Japan to see them again and stayed
> for two
> > > &gt; &gt; years.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;This is after having been
virtually
> starved to
> > > &gt; &gt; death
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;by them. They ate slugs fried in
> cold cream,
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;grasshoppers, anything they could
> get their
> > > &gt; &gt; hands on.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;My father weighed 75 lbs. when we
> were
> > > &gt; &gt; liberated.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Hate is too ennervating an emotion
> to allow
> > > &gt; &gt; oneself to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;indulge in. I, personally, am
> estranged from
> > > &gt; &gt; it,
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;thankfully. I may not be thrilled
> with cops (or
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;authority of any kind), but that's
> just because
> > > &gt; &gt; I'm a
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;hardhead and can't stand people
> telling me what
> > > &gt; &gt; to
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;do--but hate? I don't think so.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Please know that there are a
million
> ways to
> > > &gt; &gt; skin a
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;cat, a million points of view, not
> one of them
> > > &gt; &gt; the
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;&amp;quot;truth&amp;quot;,
> except to the person who
> > > &gt; &gt; perceives them.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Your truth is yours and you're
> entitled to it.
> > > &gt; &gt; My
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;truth is mine and I'm entitled to
> it. You can
> > > &gt; &gt; call it
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;what you like, I can call yours
what
> I like, but
> > > &gt; &gt; will
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;that really change anything or
make
> any kind of
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;difference? I think not. Rather
> than engage in
> > > &gt; &gt; a
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;useless badinage, let's just be
who
> we are and
> > > &gt; &gt; allow
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;others the same.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;But may you not hate too much,
it's
> bad for the
> > > &gt; &gt; soul
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;(I know, you don't believe in its
> existence.
> > > &gt; &gt; Oh,
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;well, so be it).
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;Pepi
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt;--- Michael Eisenstadt
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;lt;michaele@ando.pair.com&amp;gt;
> wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Pepi wrote:
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Jon and
> Mike,
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Think
> what you like. It's obvious
> > > &gt; &gt; you can't read.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; I
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; NEVER
> said that Israelis are reborn
> > > &gt; &gt; Nazis--my
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; SISTER
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; did.
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Then your sister is
a
> good hater. Are you
> > > &gt; &gt; proud of
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; her?
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Did you quote her
> because you didn't agree
> > > &gt; &gt; with the
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; thought?
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Or did you quote her
> because you did
> > > &gt; &gt; agree?
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; In one of your posts
> you asked me how do I
> > > &gt; &gt; know the
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; Israelis are not
> reborn Nazis. What were
> > > &gt; &gt; you getting
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt; at?
> > > &gt; &gt; &amp;gt; &amp;gt;
> > > &gt; &gt;
> > > &gt;=== message truncated ===
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