let's not do nuance

[Jon Ford]

Now Wayne---don't it just feel right to have a big old cuddly S-O-U-L? If I 
believed in one (unfortunately-- I can't;  I lack the capacity for such 
delusion) , I'm sure I could throw all my drugs away because I"D BE ON A 
PERMANENT HIGH! Thank you Jesus!!!!!

Jon

>From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Subject: Re: let's not do nuance
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:20:24 -0500
>
>Oh, I wish I didn't feel compelled to write this.  I know, just know, 
that I
>will surely regret it.  But I just can't find any sane and
>non-Transcendental argument for the existence of a "soul".  I 
really,
>really wish it were true and that we could all come back again, but my
>belief is that when the "biological" light goes out...it stays 
out.  Finito!
>No mas!
>
>From my perspective, we have some tens of thousands of years of 
"wishful"
>thinking aided and abetted by a bunch of semi-literate, semi-criminals 
who
>wish to profit by spreading mystical and irrational beliefs.  Did Arthur 
go
>to Avalon?  Probably not, as much as I would like it to be so. Ain't 
going
>to see him again.  Nor any other person what has kicked the 
"biological"
>bucket.  Doornails is doornails and when you is gone, you is over.
>
>So.  What do I have to look forward to?  Not a damn thing.  Is that
>existential or what?
>
>Cheers until then...."Happy Trails to You, until we meet 
again".
>
>wj
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:32 PM
>Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
>
>
> >
> > --- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@ando.pair.com> wrote:
> > > Pepi,
> > >
> > > Thanks for writing at length about this.
> > >
> > > No, I don't speak it.
> > >
> > > In Hebrew school (to prepare for confirmation at 13
> > > for the sake of my religious grandmother who would
> > > have had a fit if I wasn't confirmed), we used to
> > > say
> > > Baruch ator, I don't know anymore.
> > >
> > > Baruch ator are the first 2 words of all the
> > > prayers.
> > > Actually we worked our way through quite a bit of
> > > Genesis reading it in the original which was my
> > > original
> > > introduction to the ENORMOUS charm of reading a
> > > foreign language.When I slowly worked my way through
> > >
> > > one of the books of the Iliad in the original many
> > > years
> > > later, I thought back to Miss Snow with the enormous
> > >
> > > boobs driving us like Gadarene swine through the
> > > beginning
> > > of the bible.
> >
> > Amusing visuals here!
> >
> > >
> > > As for your and your sisters' previous lives, that
> > > sounds
> > > like hard work.
> >
> > Seems like it always is.
> >
> > >
> > > Let me get this straight: the jews burnt in the
> > > ovens
> > > came back as the Plowman sisters (or some of the
> > > Plowman sisters); the Nazis who died came back as
> > > Israelis.
> > >
> > > I still come back to this simple question: if you
> > > and your
> > > sisters love all people all that much, how do you
> > > come
> > > to the conclusion that the Israelis are reborn
> > > Nazis?
> >
> > A few Israelis, perhaps.  Certainly, not all.  This is
> > merely supposition, in any case, as we both know.  But
> > I would say by observing the ones who manifest a
> > similar persona with a similar agenda (except for the
> > reversal of the victims), however you would describe a
> > Nazi.  Sharon, perhaps?  Hey, for all we know, Arafat
> > may have been a Jew in his past lifetime!
> > >
> >
> > > You write:
> > >
> > > > But may you not hate too much, it's bad for the
> > > soul
> > > > (I know, you don't believe in its existence.  Oh,
> > > > well, so be it).
> > >
> > > I'm not the hater. I was taking exception to other
> > > folks'
> > > hatred. Is that allowed in your scheme of things?
> >
> > You were taking exception to others with your
> > assumption that they hated--sometimes an incorrect
> > one.  And certainly, we've already been here...you're
> > allowed to be as incorrect as you like, and I'm
> > allowed to perceive you that way, whether you see it
> > that way or not.
> >
> > >
> > > And yes, it is totally bad for the soul. I believe
> > > in the
> > > existence of the soul, I just don't believe in its
> > > survival
> > > after death. That's for cowards who don't want to
> > > accept that they must die and stay dead.
> >
> > Death is a part of Life--they're not opposites--our
> > energies continue into perpetuity.  Any scientist will
> > tell you that there is no energy on earth that can be
> > made to disappear completely--it merely transforms
> > into something else.
> >
> > It has nothing to do with being a coward or not.   If
> > one leaves one's body and is awake, as everyone does
> > when sleeping, it's enough proof for me that there is
> > a soul. You're crossing a room.  No, you're floating
> > across the room.  You look down at your body.  No
> > body.  A light the color of a Peace Rose.  Is that
> > Life?
> >
> > >
> > > And I aint got no agenda.
> >
> > Well, good, I'm glad to hear that!
> >
> >  If you or others want to
> > > believe in up to 5 impossible things before
> > > breakfast
> > > like the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland, hey! be
> > > my guest!
> > >
> > Thanks, my friend, for taking a different tone with
> > me.
> >
> > Best to you,
> >
> > Pepi
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > P.S. When it comes to learning foreign languages,
> > > unless
> > > one is a very talented linguini, you hafta choose
> > > which
> > > one or two or three is it is worth learning in terms
> > > of
> > > what's written in said languages. Having been an
> > > Asian monk
> > > in a previous life, have you learnt or remembered
> > > how to
> > > speak or read Asian monk books? Or is that
> > > considered
> > > unnecessary.
> > >
> > Mostly, as I understand it, a veil drops when people
> > are born, hiding past lives from them.  Some people
> > have bleedthroughs, like me and my sisters.  I have
> > the ability (and so do my sisters) to learn any
> > language on earth, if we were to spend time in that
> > country.  I've had Chinese friends and learned a few
> > words from them, but I've never been immersed in the
> > language; I've taken a couple of semesters of
> > Japanese, have a great accent and that is all--I loved
> > writing the kanji; the same could be said for German,
> > except I took it in high school for two years and
> > never opened the book (I thought it an ugly language);
> > I speak and write Spanish and French; defend myself in
> > Italian; have translated Portuguese; took three years
> > of Latin (but never bothered to study, so can't say I
> > really know it); can understand just about any Latin-
> > based language when spoken to me.  My sister speaks
> > and writes really GOOD Spanish, Italian, French and
> > German; speaks Hebrew and some Arabic; wants to learn
> > Russian.  I want to learn Chinese.  Life isn't long
> > enough to learn every language or to remember every
> > past life.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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