ME turmoil

Wed Mar 24 23:24:29 2004

Yeah, don't forget the "royal hostage" gambit with sons, daughters, brothers
and sisters being used to, uh, keep the peace.

wj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerry Storm" <mesmo@gilanet.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: ME turmoil

> Don't forget the Lebanese, traders and seamen supreme. Beirut was the NYC
of
> the area in various eras.
>
> >From the little I have read, it was quite common for conquerors in the
area
> to intermarry with the royal families of the conquered to ease the
> transitions, thus lots of mixing of the genes.
> G
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: ME turmoil
>
>
> > This is a direct quote from our Greenwich Village correspondant....."war
> > mongering, mammon
> > worshiping, soulless american."  I think it is kinda cute myself.
> >
> > Jesus is reputedly born around what we now call 1 AD, which is probably
4
> AD
> > as accounts are mixed.
> >
> > Muhammed arrives on the scene much later.  The Israelites have been
> kicking
> > around the Dead Sea/Jordan area for who knows how long.  They were
> displaced
> > originally, I think, by Assyrians or some other warring tribe and wound
up
> > over in Egypt.  After leaving E. they traveled around in what is now
south
> > Iraq where they picked up a bunch of new ideas from other tribes (like
> Angel
> > Messangers, from I think, the Zoroastrians.)  This region was a real hot
> bed
> > of religious and mythical fervor with many, many, many religions in the
> > area, some still around, most gone missing.  There have been Jews or
> people
> > we now call Jews or Semites there for thousands of years.  Except for
more
> > recent additions, they are genetically indentical to everyone else in
that
> > area.  Have to go to Egypt or Southern Arabia to find more distinct
> > differences due to their blending with Africans and Asians.  Whole
> vicinity
> > one big genetic soup with everyone related to everyone else from four or
> > five thousand years ago.  So much trade, so much travel, so much warfare
> > with resultant, uh, mixing of genes.  Things begin to sort out more
> clearly
> > with the rise of the more successful city states like Babylon, later
> > Athenian league (ca. 450 BC) etc.  Romans really began the work of
> > identifying people as to where they were born because they were
recording
> > and taxing fanatics.
> >
> > Islam is a relilgion with its basis in the Old Testament. If you pick up
a
> > translation of the Koran, one of the things you see right away is how
> > important Moses is in Islamic religious history.  Jesus is considered a
> > major prophet.  No disagreement there, but the overall "tone", I guess,
is
> > that of codified Arabic/Bedouin/Tuareg/Nomadic et al tribal beliefs.
Many
> > of these still exist, in horrifying ways like female castration, in
parts
> of
> > the Sudan today.  These are not specific to the Koran,  they are tribal
> > traditions.  Much of what is their is "tribal knowledge" just like the
Old
> > Testament.
> >
> > Well, enough of my amateur history.  Best talk to others on the web,
> > especially Mike E. with much better facts and figures at their disposal.
> >
> > Hope this gets you started.
> >
> > wayne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: ME turmoil
> >
> >
> > > Please explain to this naif, what "WMMWSA" (white,
> > > married male with substance abuse?) means.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is who came first? Christ or
> > > Muhammed? (Was Muhammed 800 A.D.?)  I know, I could go
> > > look it up in the library, but it's easier this way.
> > > When and why, in historical terms, did the Israelites
> > > leave Jerusalem?  In the Diaspora? And wasn't that Way
> > > Back? I know that at the time of Jesus, his people
> > > called the place home.  Where were the Arabs then? I
> > > swear, I think Christians helped dig the rift between
> > > Arabs and Jews--if they hadn't been out treasure
> > > hunting and murdering everyone in their path, the
> > > place might have stood a chance!
> > >
> > > The Spaniards already had their fill of a Fascist
> > > regime--they didn't need the Bush agenda to rob them
> > > of the tenuous freedom they've enjoyed since Franco's
> > > demise.
> > >
> > > And friends from Canada say, "You should see what Bush
> > > looks like OUTSIDE the U.S." The whole world is topsy
> > > turvy, and Shrub is just a poor, stupid mofo like
> > > everyone else (I want to say the rest of us, but fear
> > > the reprisals).  I kind of feel sorry for the dude--if
> > > I were truly Christian, I would say, he cain't he'p
> > > it!  "There must be some way outta here, ..."
> > >
> > > pep
> > > --- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > > Cher.
> > > >
> > > > Well, speaking as one WMMWSA to another, what I have
> > > > read is that most
> > > > Europeans are perfectly capable of distinguishing
> > > > between our dumb-ass
> > > > Facist Prez and the rest of us.  Of course, I
> > > > haven't been there recently so
> > > > I could be wrong.  Blair isn't terribly high on
> > > > anyone's list either.  The
> > > > new Spanish government, however, looks quite
> > > > promising.  Social(istically)
> > > > speaking.
> > > >
> > > > Yours in war and mammon mongering,
> > > > wj
> > > >
> > > > btw.  While 9/11 had Israel as a contributing
> > > > factor, we have made our,
> > > > uh...or maybe, ugh....presence felt in the ME for
> > > > sufficient time to warrant
> > > > our own hate list.  Think CIA.  Think Iran. Think
> > > > GOP support of Saddam
> > > > through the years.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stephanie Chernikowski"
> > > > <stephaniecher@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: "our sponsorship of Israel brought on
> > > > 9/11" -- I am quoting
> > > > Gerry Storm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 10:41 AM, Michael
> > > > Eisenstadt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > please dont make that pig Sharon into a
> > > > synecdoche for
> > > > > > jews in general.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > most of the people i know, especially jews,
> > > > dislike sharon, myself
> > > > > included. i kinda feel it is not unlike what is
> > > > happening here. bush
> > > > > doesn't represent me, yet i am condemned as a war
> > > > mongering, mammon
> > > > > worshiping, soulless american because of him.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephanie Chernikowski
> > > > > StepCherPhoto.com
> > > > >
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