ME turmoil

Wed Mar 24 23:24:01 2004

Sadly, many people appear to have no other "life" than to try to tell people
what to do.

wj
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: ME turmoil

> Thanks, Wayne, for your explications.  I had to read
> the Koran and the Baghavad-Gita in Bible class in
> highschool.  But it's been a long, long time.  I just
> wish people would leave their religion out of the
> quotient and just try to get along with everyone else.
>  Oh, well.
> pep
> --- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> > This is a direct quote from our Greenwich Village
> > correspondant....."war
> > mongering, mammon
> > worshiping, soulless american."  I think it is kinda
> > cute myself.
> >
> > Jesus is reputedly born around what we now call 1
> > AD, which is probably 4 AD
> > as accounts are mixed.
> >
> > Muhammed arrives on the scene much later.  The
> > Israelites have been kicking
> > around the Dead Sea/Jordan area for who knows how
> > long.  They were displaced
> > originally, I think, by Assyrians or some other
> > warring tribe and wound up
> > over in Egypt.  After leaving E. they traveled
> > around in what is now south
> > Iraq where they picked up a bunch of new ideas from
> > other tribes (like Angel
> > Messangers, from I think, the Zoroastrians.)  This
> > region was a real hot bed
> > of religious and mythical fervor with many, many,
> > many religions in the
> > area, some still around, most gone missing.  There
> > have been Jews or people
> > we now call Jews or Semites there for thousands of
> > years.  Except for more
> > recent additions, they are genetically indentical to
> > everyone else in that
> > area.  Have to go to Egypt or Southern Arabia to
> > find more distinct
> > differences due to their blending with Africans and
> > Asians.  Whole vicinity
> > one big genetic soup with everyone related to
> > everyone else from four or
> > five thousand years ago.  So much trade, so much
> > travel, so much warfare
> > with resultant, uh, mixing of genes.  Things begin
> > to sort out more clearly
> > with the rise of the more successful city states
> > like Babylon, later
> > Athenian league (ca. 450 BC) etc.  Romans really
> > began the work of
> > identifying people as to where they were born
> > because they were recording
> > and taxing fanatics.
> >
> > Islam is a relilgion with its basis in the Old
> > Testament. If you pick up a
> > translation of the Koran, one of the things you see
> > right away is how
> > important Moses is in Islamic religious history.
> > Jesus is considered a
> > major prophet.  No disagreement there, but the
> > overall "tone", I guess, is
> > that of codified Arabic/Bedouin/Tuareg/Nomadic et al
> > tribal beliefs.  Many
> > of these still exist, in horrifying ways like female
> > castration, in parts of
> > the Sudan today.  These are not specific to the
> > Koran,  they are tribal
> > traditions.  Much of what is their is "tribal
> > knowledge" just like the Old
> > Testament.
> >
> > Well, enough of my amateur history.  Best talk to
> > others on the web,
> > especially Mike E. with much better facts and
> > figures at their disposal.
> >
> > Hope this gets you started.
> >
> > wayne
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: ME turmoil
> >
> >
> > > Please explain to this naif, what "WMMWSA" (white,
> > > married male with substance abuse?) means.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is who came first? Christ or
> > > Muhammed? (Was Muhammed 800 A.D.?)  I know, I
> > could go
> > > look it up in the library, but it's easier this
> > way.
> > > When and why, in historical terms, did the
> > Israelites
> > > leave Jerusalem?  In the Diaspora? And wasn't that
> > Way
> > > Back? I know that at the time of Jesus, his people
> > > called the place home.  Where were the Arabs then?
> > I
> > > swear, I think Christians helped dig the rift
> > between
> > > Arabs and Jews--if they hadn't been out treasure
> > > hunting and murdering everyone in their path, the
> > > place might have stood a chance!
> > >
> > > The Spaniards already had their fill of a Fascist
> > > regime--they didn't need the Bush agenda to rob
> > them
> > > of the tenuous freedom they've enjoyed since
> > Franco's
> > > demise.
> > >
> > > And friends from Canada say, "You should see what
> > Bush
> > > looks like OUTSIDE the U.S." The whole world is
> > topsy
> > > turvy, and Shrub is just a poor, stupid mofo like
> > > everyone else (I want to say the rest of us, but
> > fear
> > > the reprisals).  I kind of feel sorry for the
> > dude--if
> > > I were truly Christian, I would say, he cain't
> > he'p
> > > it!  "There must be some way outta here, ..."
> > >
> > > pep
> > > --- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> > > > Cher.
> > > >
> > > > Well, speaking as one WMMWSA to another, what I
> > have
> > > > read is that most
> > > > Europeans are perfectly capable of
> > distinguishing
> > > > between our dumb-ass
> > > > Facist Prez and the rest of us.  Of course, I
> > > > haven't been there recently so
> > > > I could be wrong.  Blair isn't terribly high on
> > > > anyone's list either.  The
> > > > new Spanish government, however, looks quite
> > > > promising.  Social(istically)
> > > > speaking.
> > > >
> > > > Yours in war and mammon mongering,
> > > > wj
> > > >
> > > > btw.  While 9/11 had Israel as a contributing
> > > > factor, we have made our,
> > > > uh...or maybe, ugh....presence felt in the ME
> > for
> > > > sufficient time to warrant
> > > > our own hate list.  Think CIA.  Think Iran.
> > Think
> > > > GOP support of Saddam
> > > > through the years.
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Stephanie Chernikowski"
> > > > <stephaniecher@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: "our sponsorship of Israel brought
> > on
> > > > 9/11" -- I am quoting
> > > > Gerry Storm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 10:41 AM,
> > Michael
> > > > Eisenstadt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > please dont make that pig Sharon into a
> > > > synecdoche for
> > > > > > jews in general.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > most of the people i know, especially jews,
> > > > dislike sharon, myself
> > > > > included. i kinda feel it is not unlike what
> > is
> > > > happening here. bush
> > > > > doesn't represent me, yet i am condemned as a
> > war
> > > > mongering, mammon
> > > > > worshiping, soulless american because of him.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephanie Chernikowski
> > > > > StepCherPhoto.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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