Pho
Wayne Johnson
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My experience with Pho...which I dearly love btw...in both CA and =
VA...has been with basil. The better Pho restaurants usually offer a =
choice of "fatty" additives so you can have something barely more =
caloric than chicken/beef stock with noodles and then work your way up =
from very lean brisket (my preference) to beef ribs. Whatever. It is a =
great soup and hope you all enjoy same.
wj
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Judith M. Herr=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: Pho
Actually - there are lots of names for ..
Corriander leaves (Chinese Parsley) =3D Cilantro =3D Yim Sai =3D =
Daun Ketumbar
(English) (Spanish) =
(Chinese) (Southeast =
Asia```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````)
-----Original Message-----
From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net =
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Frances =
Morey
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:41 AM
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Subject: Re: Pho
Cilantro is sometimes referred to as Chinese parsley.
FM
Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@ando.pair.com> wrote:
some time back Houston White took me to a Vietnamese restaurant
(on N.Lamar just before 183) and introduced me to Pho so I know
what you're talking about. They served it with cilantro.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Loving"=20
To:=20
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: Frat of the Land--Restaurant meal size fix
> It is the menu that is the culprit. I eat huge bowls of Pho all =
the time
which is 75% fish stock flavored with spices. If we all ate =
Vietnamese food
we'd be short and skinny... maybe? Or you can eat at EL Rancho and =
have mole
enchiladas with cheese and chicken , grease and beans and rice plus =
a whole
bag of chips or shrimp enchiladas with spinach and cream sauce with =
charro
beans and rice... And the serving is good for three people which I =
gobble
up. Maybe we should elect Emiril President so we can have food =
laws?.
>
>
>
> >From: Frances Morey
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >Subject: Frat of the Land--Restaurant meal size fix
> >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:54:11 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Dave,
> >It is a thorny problem, having the government or the lawyers any =
more
involved in food industry rights and wrongs than they already are =
with
permits, inspections, standards, etc. Kerry could certainly admonish =
the
food industry to heal themselves without additional governmental
intervention by simply offering more 400 and 500 calorie meals for =
average
sized people who are intelligent enough to choose to control their =
weight
and not just cater to the people impressed by wrteched excess whose =
eyes,
imagined needs and budgets are bigger than their stomachs. I'm not =
so sure
that laws and law suits are the answer due to the ubiquitous nature =
of the
problem. Court cases and fines have little to do with feeding =
massive
numbers of people who eat 50% of their meals away from home.
> >
> >Instead of dithering about the tax cut, though, I think he should =
declare
that time has come to double the minimum wage. That way the working =
people
in the food industry can enjoy a poor man's stock-split and take =
pride in
their employment. Double up stocks-splits aren't just for =
shareholders
anymore but should be broadened to include those for whom labor is =
their
stock in trade. Gee, they could make up the difference by just =
reducing the
size of some of the meals they offer, charging one third less for =
half size
meals.
> >
> >Oh, but the price of fast food would skyrocket. So what, I hear =
there are
places called grocery stores where people can actually buy very =
reasonably
priced food and actually prepare meals at home. Grocery stores are =
also a
part of the food industry. Are fast food workers to be treated as if =
they
are today's version of slaves, earning half of what it is estimated =
that it
costs to live? If all the minimum wage workers in America suddenly =
got paid
twice as much as they are now earning the economy would recover at =
warp
speed.
> >That is what I would do if I were Kerry. Fighting conservative =
political
rhetoric with a few good ideas in the spirit of nobless oblige--that =
could
bring out voters for the Democrats.
> >Your lil' ol' home economist,
> >Frances
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >dmcqklaatu@netscape.net wrote:
> >
> >I watched the debate on this on CSPAN. Congresswoman Shiela =
Jackson Lee
of Houston tried heroically to derail it, but couldn't. One of the
Republican arguments for the bill...swear to God...was that Santa =
Claus was
fat, and happy.
> >
> >
> >Frances Morey wrote:
> >
> > >The problem is that restaurants only offer too-much-food per =
order. You
cannot order and consume a small meal in any known restaurant. It is =
as if
they engage in amount and price fixing across the board. Small meals =
aren't
offered on the menu, period! That's the problem! These =
establishments do
indeed make you fat if you cannot order half size meals for half the =
money
to suit your body's needs rather than the restaurant's bottom line. =
The
coertion involved that ought to be made illegal is ignoring the =
requirements
of smaller people and only serving meals that might be about right =
for
professional football players or ironworkers and which are generally =
a
quantity large enough to feed a family of four.
> > >People typically finish their plate, now platter, no matter how =
much is
on it and that is where the obesity comes from. Restaurant =
culpability is in
failing to offer the smaller size meal choices on their menus--and =
present
the customer a plate that it's okay to finish.
> > >FM
> > >
> > >David Rubinson wrote:
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:03:04 -0500
> > >To: (Recipient list suppressed)
> > >From: David Rubinson
> > >Subject: Fat of the Land
> > >
> > >Children grow up in the "developed" countries bombarded with =
messages
to CONSUME.
> > >An endless repetitive assault of advertising, PR, and =
subliminal
brainwashing.
> > >Americans grossly over consume- and food is just one small =
item.
> > >We have exported our desperate consumption everywhere on the =
planet.
> > >So now children of the lucky countries we have decided to =
"develop" are
also getting obese.
> > >Diabetes is epidemic.
> > >The corporations who maliciously push this over consumption =
call the
rewards they glean - "PROFIT."
> > >Profit - from their children's gullilbility and =
defenselessness.
> > >Profit from selling poison and planet-destroying "product."
> > >Their CEOs grab millions from the process, their shareholders =
crow
about the earnings ratios.
> > >And lives are being ruined on a global basis.
> > >These corporations make very sure to send a lot of the =
"profits" along
to the rule makers, senators, congresspeople, government regulators.
> > >And so, those sworn to protect us abandon us, abandon their own
children- in the pursuit of monetary gain.
> > >They take money and let us die.
> > >It's that simple.
> > >There has been a Radical Regime Change -- and if that's OK with =
you,
then do nothing.
> > >
> > >---------------------------------
> > >
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/11/politics/11BURG.html?th
> > >
> > >March 11, 2004
> > >Vote in House Offers a Shield for Restaurants in Obesity =
SuitsBy CARL
HULSE
> > >
> > >WASHINGTON, March 10 =AD Saying overeating is a problem for =
individuals,
not the courts, the House easily approved legislation on Wednesday =
to bar
people from suing restaurants on the ground that their food makes =
customers
fat.
> > >
> > >Advocates of the Republican-written measure, which has become =
known on
Capitol Hill as the cheeseburger bill, said it was needed to curb =
the threat
of obesity claims against fast-food franchises that provide millions =
of jobs
along with their burgers and fries.
> > >
> > >"The food industry is under attack and in the cross hairs of =
the same
trial lawyers who went after big tobacco," said Representative Ric =
Keller, a
Florida Republican who is the chief sponsor of the measure, which =
was
adopted 276 to 139.
> > >
> > >The White House endorsed the bill on Wednesday, saying in a =
statement
that "food manufacturers and sellers should not be held liable for =
injury
because of a person's consumption of legal, unadulterated food and a
person's weight gain or obesity."
> > >
> > >The outlook is unclear in the Senate, where Democrats have =
blocked
consideration of such limitations on lawsuits. The main sponsor, =
however, is
the No. 2 Republican, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
> > >
> > >"This bill says, `Don't run off and file a lawsuit if you are =
fat,' "
said Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of =
Wisconsin,
chairman of the Judiciary Committee. "It says, `Look in the mirror =
because
you're the one to blame.' "
> > >
> > >Opponents said the legislation was unnecessary and =
irresponsible in
light of this week's government report identifying obesity as a =
condition
fast catching up to tobacco as the No. 1 preventable cause of death =
in the
United States. Democrats said the fact that the House was devoting =
almost a
full day to the proposal illustrated the misplaced priorities of the
Republican majority.
> > >
> > >"With all the challenges facing this country and with the =
limited
schedule set by the Republicans this year, is this the best bill to
consider?" asked Representative Jim McGovern, Democrat of =
Massachusetts.
"Under the Republican leadership, this House has become a place =
where
trivial issues are debated passionately and serious ones not at =
all."
> > >
> > >The measure was the latest Republican-led effort to provide =
legal
immunity for a specific industry after efforts to impose broader =
limits have
been blocked. Last week, a measure to provide immunity to gun =
manufacturers
and dealers was defeated. Last year, a broad energy measure stalled =
over
resistance to granting immunity to producers of a gasoline additive =
blamed
for water pollution. In the past, Republicans pressed for immunity =
for the
tobacco industry and producers of vaccines.
> > >
> > >While Republicans on the House floor said there had been a =
spate of
such suits against restaurants, Democrats said there had been few.
> > >
> > >John Banzhaf, a law professor at George Washington University =
who has
been a main critic of the measure, said that he knew of only one =
suit that
would be covered by the measure and that it had been dismissed in =
court.
Professor Banzhaf said a handful of other such suits had proceeded =
based on
labeling and ingredients. He also acknowledged that there were =
lawyers
exploring suing restaurants over obesity.
> > >
> > >"There seems to be a hysteria that a couple of law professors =
are going
to pick on poor little defenseless companies like McDonald's, Kraft =
and
KFC," Professor Banzhaf said. "It just doesn't make sense."
> > >
> > >Supporters said the mere prospect of lawsuits justified the =
measure,
which the House majority leader, Tom DeLay of Texas, said was =
intended to
discourage the "Ronald McDonald made me do it defense."
> > >
> > >"It is ridiculous that we even need to do a bill like this, but =
we do,"
Mr. DeLay said.
> > >
> > >The legislation is formally known as the Personal =
Responsibility in
Food Consumption Act. It would bar new cases and dismiss pending =
federal and
state suits in which damages are sought as compensation for =
conditions
connected to weight gain or obesity attributed to restaurant food. =
The
authors said it would not prevent suits brought because of a =
restaurant's
negligence, false advertising, mislabeling or tainted food.
> > >
> > >Though the bill was championed by Republicans, 55 Democrats =
joined 221
Republicans in supporting it. Opposing it were 137 Democrats, one =
Republican
and one independent.
> > >
> > >Democratic critics failed in multiple efforts to win changes in =
the
measure, which was backed by the National Restaurant Association and =
the
National Federation of Independent Businesses and opposed by some =
legal and
health interests.
> > >
> > >"For small-business owners, the threat of a frivolous lawsuit =
remains
one of their greatest worries," Jack Faris, president of the =
business group,
said.
> > >
> > >But Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for
Responsible Medicine, called the measure unwise because obesity was =
gaining
new recognition as a significant health problem.
> > >
> > >"Given that we are just now beginning to discover the =
industry's
involvement, granting them sweeping immunity is, at best, =
dangerously
short-sighted," Dr. Barnard said.
> > >
> > >Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company | Home | Privacy =
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Rubinson
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My experience with Pho...which I dearly =
love=20
btw...in both CA and VA...has been with basil. The better Pho =
restaurants=20
usually offer a choice of "fatty" additives so you can have something =
barely=20
more caloric than chicken/beef stock with noodles and then work your way =
up from=20
very lean brisket (my preference) to beef ribs. Whatever. It =
is a=20
great soup and hope you all enjoy same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wj</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dherrj@comcast.net href=3D"mailto:herrj@comcast.net">Judith =
M. Herr</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 13, 2004 =
1:19=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pho</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Actually =96 there are lots of =
names for=20
=85.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Corriander leaves (Chinese =
Parsley)=20
=3D Cilantro =3D Yim Sai =3D Daun=20
Ketumbar</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black">(English) &nb=
sp; &nbs=
p;  =
; =20
(Spanish) (Chinese) =20
(</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">Southeast=20
Asia</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
black">``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````=
`)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" color=3Dblack =
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list-=
admin@pairlist.net</A>=20
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Frances =
Morey<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, March 13, 2004 =
9:41=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: =
Pho</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Cilantro is sometimes =
referred to as=20
Chinese parsley.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FM<BR><BR><B><I><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic">Michael Eisenstadt=20
<michaele@ando.pair.com></SPAN></I></B> =
wrote:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =
medium none; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; =
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style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">some time back=20
Houston White took me to a Vietnamese restaurant<BR>(on N.Lamar just =
before=20
183) and introduced me to Pho so I know<BR>what you're talking =
about. They=20
served it with cilantro.<BR><BR>----- Original Message =
-----<BR>From: "Igor=20
Loving" <BR><LOVINGIGOR@HOTMAIL.COM>To:=20
<BR><AUSTIN-GHETTO-LIST@PAIRLIST.NET>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 =
9:09=20
AM<BR>Subject: RE: Frat of the Land--Restaurant meal size=20
fix<BR><BR><BR>> It is the menu that is the culprit. I eat huge =
bowls of=20
Pho all the time<BR>which is 75% fish stock flavored with spices. If =
we all=20
ate Vietnamese food<BR>we'd be short and skinny... maybe? Or you can =
eat at=20
EL Rancho and have mole<BR>enchiladas with cheese and chicken , =
grease and=20
beans and rice plus a whole<BR>bag of chips or shrimp enchiladas =
with=20
spinach and cream sauce with charro<BR>beans and rice... And the =
serving is=20
good for three people which I gobble<BR>up. Maybe we should elect =
Emiril=20
President so we can have food laws?.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>From: Frances Morey<BR>> >Reply-To:=20
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR>> >To:=20
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR>> >Subject: Frat of the=20
Land--Restaurant meal size fix<BR>> >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 =
01:54:11=20
-0800 (PST)<BR>> ><BR>> >Dave,<BR>> >It is a =
thorny=20
problem, having the government or the lawyers any more<BR>involved =
in food=20
industry rights and wrongs than they already are with<BR>permits,=20
inspections, standards, etc. Kerry could certainly admonish =
the<BR>food=20
industry to heal themselves without additional =
governmental<BR>intervention=20
by simply offering more 400 and 500 calorie meals for =
average<BR>sized=20
people who are intelligent enough to choose to control their =
weight<BR>and=20
not just cater to the people impressed by wrteched excess whose=20
eyes,<BR>imagined needs and budgets are bigger than their stomachs. =
I'm not=20
so sure<BR>that laws and law suits are the answer due to the =
ubiquitous=20
nature of the<BR>problem. Court cases and fines have little to do =
with=20
feeding massive<BR>numbers of people who eat 50% of their meals away =
from=20
home.<BR>> ><BR>> >Instead of dithering about the tax =
cut,=20
though, I think he should declare<BR>that time has come to double =
the=20
minimum wage. That way the working people<BR>in the food industry =
can enjoy=20
a poor man's stock-split and take pride in<BR>their employment. =
Double up=20
stocks-splits aren't just for shareholders<BR>anymore but should be=20
broadened to include those for whom labor is their<BR>stock in =
trade. Gee,=20
they could make up the difference by just reducing the<BR>size of =
some of=20
the meals they offer, charging one third less for half=20
size<BR>meals.<BR>> ><BR>> >Oh, but the price of fast =
food would=20
skyrocket. So what, I hear there are<BR>places called grocery stores =
where=20
people can actually buy very reasonably<BR>priced food and actually =
prepare=20
meals at home. Grocery stores are also a<BR>part of the food =
industry. Are=20
fast food workers to be treated as if they<BR>are today's version of =
slaves,=20
earning half of what it is estimated that it<BR>costs to live? If =
all the=20
minimum wage workers in America suddenly got paid<BR>twice as much =
as they=20
are now earning the economy would recover at warp<BR>speed.<BR>> =
>That=20
is what I would do if I were Kerry. Fighting conservative=20
political<BR>rhetoric with a few good ideas in the spirit of nobless =
oblige--that could<BR>bring out voters for the Democrats.<BR>> =
>Your=20
lil' ol' home economist,<BR>> >Frances<BR>> ><BR>>=20
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>=20
>dmcqklaatu@netscape.net wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >I =
watched the=20
debate on this on CSPAN. Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee<BR>of =
Houston=20
tried heroically to derail it, but couldn't. One of =
the<BR>Republican=20
arguments for the bill...swear to God...was that Santa Claus =
was<BR>fat, and=20
happy.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >Frances Morey =
wrote:<BR>>=20
><BR>> > >The problem is that restaurants only offer=20
too-much-food per order. You<BR>cannot order and consume a small =
meal in any=20
known restaurant. It is as if<BR>they engage in amount and price =
fixing=20
across the board. Small meals aren't<BR>offered on the menu, period! =
That's=20
the problem! These establishments do<BR>indeed make you fat if you =
cannot=20
order half size meals for half the money<BR>to suit your body's =
needs rather=20
than the restaurant's bottom line. The<BR>coertion involved that =
ought to be=20
made illegal is ignoring the requirements<BR>of smaller people and =
only=20
serving meals that might be about right for<BR>professional football =
players=20
or ironworkers and which are generally a<BR>quantity large enough to =
feed a=20
family of four.<BR>> > >People typically finish their =
plate, now=20
platter, no matter how much is<BR>on it and that is where the =
obesity comes=20
from. Restaurant culpability is in<BR>failing to offer the smaller =
size meal=20
choices on their menus--and present<BR>the customer a plate that =
it's okay=20
to finish.<BR>> > >FM<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>David=20
Rubinson wrote:<BR>> > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:03:04=20
-0500<BR>> > >To: (Recipient list suppressed)<BR>> >=20
>From: David Rubinson<BR>> > >Subject: Fat of the =
Land<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > >Children grow up in the "developed" =
countries=20
bombarded with messages<BR>to CONSUME.<BR>> > >An endless=20
repetitive assault of advertising, PR, and=20
subliminal<BR>brainwashing.<BR>> > >Americans grossly over =
consume-=20
and food is just one small item.<BR>> > >We have exported =
our=20
desperate consumption everywhere on the planet.<BR>> > >So =
now=20
children of the lucky countries we have decided to "develop" =
are<BR>also=20
getting obese.<BR>> > >Diabetes is epidemic.<BR>> > =
>The=20
corporations who maliciously push this over consumption call =
the<BR>rewards=20
they glean - "PROFIT."<BR>> > >Profit - from their =
children's=20
gullilbility and defenselessness.<BR>> > >Profit from =
selling=20
poison and planet-destroying "product."<BR>> > >Their CEOs =
grab=20
millions from the process, their shareholders crow<BR>about the =
earnings=20
ratios.<BR>> > >And lives are being ruined on a global=20
basis.<BR>> > >These corporations make very sure to send a =
lot of=20
the "profits" along<BR>to the rule makers, senators, congresspeople, =
government regulators.<BR>> > >And so, those sworn to =
protect us=20
abandon us, abandon their own<BR>children- in the pursuit of =
monetary=20
gain.<BR>> > >They take money and let us die.<BR>> > =
>It's=20
that simple.<BR>> > >There has been a Radical Regime Change =
-- and=20
if that's OK with you,<BR>then do nothing.<BR>> > ><BR>> =
>=20
>---------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
=
>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/11/politics/11BURG.html?th<BR>> =
>=20
><BR>> > >March 11, 2004<BR>> > >Vote in House =
Offers a=20
Shield for Restaurants in Obesity SuitsBy CARL<BR>HULSE<BR>> > =
><BR>> > >WASHINGTON, March 10 ­ Saying overeating =
is a=20
problem for individuals,<BR>not the courts, the House easily =
approved=20
legislation on Wednesday to bar<BR>people from suing restaurants on =
the=20
ground that their food makes customers<BR>fat.<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> >Advocates of the Republican-written measure, which has =
become known=20
on<BR>Capitol Hill as the cheeseburger bill, said it was needed to =
curb the=20
threat<BR>of obesity claims against fast-food franchises that =
provide=20
millions of jobs<BR>along with their burgers and fries.<BR>> > =
><BR>> > >"The food industry is under attack and in the =
cross=20
hairs of the same<BR>trial lawyers who went after big tobacco," said =
Representative Ric Keller, a<BR>Florida Republican who is the chief =
sponsor=20
of the measure, which was<BR>adopted 276 to 139.<BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> >The White House endorsed the bill on Wednesday, saying in a =
statement<BR>that "food manufacturers and sellers should not be held =
liable=20
for injury<BR>because of a person's consumption of legal, =
unadulterated food=20
and a<BR>person's weight gain or obesity."<BR>> > ><BR>> =
>=20
>The outlook is unclear in the Senate, where Democrats have=20
blocked<BR>consideration of such limitations on lawsuits. The main =
sponsor,=20
however, is<BR>the No. 2 Republican, Senator Mitch McConnell of=20
Kentucky.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >"This bill says, `Don't =
run off=20
and file a lawsuit if you are fat,' "<BR>said Representative F. =
James=20
Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of Wisconsin,<BR>chairman of the =
Judiciary=20
Committee. "It says, `Look in the mirror because<BR>you're the one =
to=20
blame.' "<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Opponents said the =
legislation=20
was unnecessary and irresponsible in<BR>light of this week's =
government=20
report identifying obesity as a condition<BR>fast catching up to =
tobacco as=20
the No. 1 preventable cause of death in the<BR>United States. =
Democrats said=20
the fact that the House was devoting almost a<BR>full day to the =
proposal=20
illustrated the misplaced priorities of the<BR>Republican =
majority.<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > >"With all the challenges facing this =
country and=20
with the limited<BR>schedule set by the Republicans this year, is =
this the=20
best bill to<BR>consider?" asked Representative Jim McGovern, =
Democrat of=20
Massachusetts.<BR>"Under the Republican leadership, this House has =
become a=20
place where<BR>trivial issues are debated passionately and serious =
ones not=20
at all."<BR>> > ><BR>> > >The measure was the =
latest=20
Republican-led effort to provide legal<BR>immunity for a specific =
industry=20
after efforts to impose broader limits have<BR>been blocked. Last =
week, a=20
measure to provide immunity to gun manufacturers<BR>and dealers was=20
defeated. Last year, a broad energy measure stalled =
over<BR>resistance to=20
granting immunity to producers of a gasoline additive blamed<BR>for =
water=20
pollution. In the past, Republicans pressed for immunity for =
the<BR>tobacco=20
industry and producers of vaccines.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>While=20
Republicans on the House floor said there had been a spate =
of<BR>such suits=20
against restaurants, Democrats said there had been few.<BR>> > =
><BR>> > >John Banzhaf, a law professor at George =
Washington=20
University who has<BR>been a main critic of the measure, said that =
he knew=20
of only one suit that<BR>would be covered by the measure and that it =
had=20
been dismissed in court.<BR>Professor Banzhaf said a handful of =
other such=20
suits had proceeded based on<BR>labeling and ingredients. He also=20
acknowledged that there were lawyers<BR>exploring suing restaurants =
over=20
obesity.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >"There seems to be a =
hysteria=20
that a couple of law professors are going<BR>to pick on poor little=20
defenseless companies like McDonald's, Kraft and<BR>KFC," Professor =
Banzhaf=20
said. "It just doesn't make sense."<BR>> > ><BR>> >=20
>Supporters said the mere prospect of lawsuits justified the=20
measure,<BR>which the House majority leader, Tom DeLay of Texas, =
said was=20
intended to<BR>discourage the "Ronald McDonald made me do it=20
defense."<BR>> > ><BR>> > >"It is ridiculous that =
we even=20
need to do a bill like this, but we do,"<BR>Mr. DeLay said.<BR>> =
>=20
><BR>> > >The legislation is formally known as the =
Personal=20
Responsibility in<BR>Food Consumption Act. It would bar new cases =
and=20
dismiss pending federal and<BR>state suits in which damages are =
sought as=20
compensation for conditions<BR>connected to weight gain or obesity=20
attributed to restaurant food. The<BR>authors said it would not =
prevent=20
suits brought because of a restaurant's<BR>negligence, false =
advertising,=20
mislabeling or tainted food.<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
>Though the=20
bill was championed by Republicans, 55 Democrats joined =
221<BR>Republicans=20
in supporting it. Opposing it were 137 Democrats, one =
Republican<BR>and one=20
independent.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Democratic critics =
failed in=20
multiple efforts to win changes in the<BR>measure, which was backed =
by the=20
National Restaurant Association and the<BR>National Federation of=20
Independent Businesses and opposed by some legal and<BR>health=20
interests.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >"For small-business =
owners,=20
the threat of a frivolous lawsuit remains<BR>one of their greatest =
worries,"=20
Jack Faris, president of the business group,<BR>said.<BR>> >=20
><BR>> > >But Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the =
Physicians=20
Committee for<BR>Responsible Medicine, called the measure unwise =
because=20
obesity was gaining<BR>new recognition as a significant health=20
problem.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >"Given that we are just =
now=20
beginning to discover the industry's<BR>involvement, granting them =
sweeping=20
immunity is, at best, dangerously<BR>short-sighted," Dr. Barnard=20
said.<BR>> > ><BR>> > >Copyright 2004 The New York =
Times=20
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