pataphysics
Jon Ford
jonmfordster@hotmail.com
Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:24:12 -0800
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<P>Billy Jim-- I know of no true images of the dog-faced ape Bosse-de-Nage. There may be some out there, but they are fakes. Remember-- we are dealing with a pataphysical , virtual entity here; as Jarry puts it in <U>Docteur Faustroll </U>(Livre Deuxieme): "La pataphysique est la science des solutions imaginaires, qui accord symboliquement aux lineaments les proprietes des objets decrit par leur virtualite." On the other hand, if you are referring to the French rock band of that name, simply contact their fanzines.<BR></P>
<P>Jon<BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Jim Strong <STRONGJIM@YAHOO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>To: Jon Ford <JONMFORDSTER@HOTMAIL.COM>, cadaobh2@brgnet.com, austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: pataphysics
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:45:19 -0800 (PST)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Little did I know you carried on the UT-radition du
<DIV></DIV>>Pataphysique. So, where can I get some really good art
<DIV></DIV>>(gif or jpg) of Bosse-de-Nage?
<DIV></DIV>>------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>>Billy Jim
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>--- Jon Ford <JONMFORDSTER@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > Of course, Jim-bo, I knew Shattuck well, and
<DIV></DIV>> > attended his great party for
<DIV></DIV>> > Alain-Robbe Grillet, and put on my own conference on
<DIV></DIV>> > Pataphysics in my time
<DIV></DIV>> > at UT at which the red-bearded one spoke, and have
<DIV></DIV>> > staged Jarry's plays,
<DIV></DIV>> > have most of Jarry's works, translated the works of
<DIV></DIV>> > Rene Daumal, etc. It is
<DIV></DIV>> > "les autres" who need to be enlightened on this
<DIV></DIV>> > subject if you are to
<DIV></DIV>> > introduce it in these regions of the cyber. And that
<DIV></DIV>> > web page was in
<DIV></DIV>> > Portuguese! He-hah.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Jon
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > >From: Jim Strong <STRONGJIM@YAHOO.COM>
<DIV></DIV>> > >To: Jon Ford <JONMFORDSTER@HOTMAIL.COM>,
<DIV></DIV>> > cadaobh2@brgnet.com,
<DIV></DIV>> > >austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>> > >Subject: RE: Manson-Osama connection?
<DIV></DIV>> > >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:42:02 -0800 (PST)
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Surely Fordster, you have not forgotten that our
<DIV></DIV>> > >esteemed UT English instructor Roger Shattuck held
<DIV></DIV>> > the
<DIV></DIV>> > >North American Chair of Pornosophy in the College
<DIV></DIV>> > du
<DIV></DIV>> > >Pataphysique? Perhaps you were too Paisano-crazed
<DIV></DIV>> > to
<DIV></DIV>> > >remember his ramblings at the parties about that
<DIV></DIV>> > >tremendous responsibility that had been "thrust"
<DIV></DIV>> > upon
<DIV></DIV>> > >him?
<DIV></DIV>> > >-------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >The "weird" web page you cite references some of
<DIV></DIV>> > the
<DIV></DIV>> > >same material (including some background on the
<DIV></DIV>> > famous
<DIV></DIV>> > >Jean-Paul Poulhan quote) that is found in the
<DIV></DIV>> > infamous
<DIV></DIV>> > >Evergreen Review edition on Pataphysics that came
<DIV></DIV>> > out
<DIV></DIV>> > >in the early 60's. I think it may even have had a
<DIV></DIV>> > >piece by Shattuck in it???
<DIV></DIV>> > >--------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >I "thank" Bubba's point is - in and of itself - a
<DIV></DIV>> > >Pataphysical one, and appropriately wicked. In
<DIV></DIV>> > fact, I
<DIV></DIV>> > >have come to the conclusion that Bubba is a rare
<DIV></DIV>> > jewel
<DIV></DIV>> > >- although not one who occupies the central part of
<DIV></DIV>> > >the Lotus sitting directly beside Lord Buddha -
<DIV></DIV>> > (and a
<DIV></DIV>> > >Certified Hoot as well). To quote Neil Young's song
<DIV></DIV>> > >(modified for gender) "Long May He Run."
<DIV></DIV>> > >---------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >I think ole J.P. Sartre handled the existence thing
<DIV></DIV>> > >purt well in "L'etrat et le Neant," non?
<DIV></DIV>> > >cf:
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.multimania.com/nrub/existenceautrui.htm
<DIV></DIV>> > >---------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >Now that there page is in Frenchie - not Portagee,
<DIV></DIV>> > >Fordster.
<DIV></DIV>> > >---------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >Finally, to be a true "Experte in Matiere de
<DIV></DIV>> > >Pataphysique," Jon, you must have owned and driven
<DIV></DIV>> > a
<DIV></DIV>> > >Renault 4-CV for at least 18 months and have
<DIV></DIV>> > replaced
<DIV></DIV>> > >the trans-axel at least twice during that time.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >----------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >As fer the vet'rans, I fall back upon my ability to
<DIV></DIV>> > >quote Red Sovine lyrics at length for protection,
<DIV></DIV>> > and
<DIV></DIV>> > >I hope you are not including the pretentious
<DIV></DIV>> > Persian
<DIV></DIV>> > >hordes of Saddam H in the descriptor "Arab." As one
<DIV></DIV>> > of
<DIV></DIV>> > >my close friends Skip the LRRP from the Nam would
<DIV></DIV>> > say,
<DIV></DIV>> > >"it's all a bunch of shit." I don't know many
<DIV></DIV>> > people
<DIV></DIV>> > >who have been through it though, who would care to
<DIV></DIV>> > >describe themselves as any kind of "killer
<DIV></DIV>> > >extraoridinare."
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >----------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >War itself is the ultimate absurdist experience. It
<DIV></DIV>> > >doesn't really prove, justify or sanctify anything
<DIV></DIV>> > -
<DIV></DIV>> > >it just tends to rearrange boundaries and
<DIV></DIV>> > hegemonies,
<DIV></DIV>> > >and to remove real or perceived "threats" (from the
<DIV></DIV>> > >"victor's" perspective). The characterizations of a
<DIV></DIV>> > >war being just or necessary or honorable are the
<DIV></DIV>> > >icings we put on that cake based upon our own
<DIV></DIV>> > beliefs.
<DIV></DIV>> > >---------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >;&>
<DIV></DIV>> > >Yours humbly
<DIV></DIV>> > >Billy Jim [aka Ubu Roi Don Goethe-Grosse]
<DIV></DIV>> > >---------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >--- Jon Ford <JONMFORDSTER@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > > > I come home from my exclusive seminar on "Say
<DIV></DIV>> > Know
<DIV></DIV>> > > > to Drugs" at which I
<DIV></DIV>> > > > learned about a famous Hollywood director known
<DIV></DIV>> > to
<DIV></DIV>> > > > sit naked before a
<DIV></DIV>> > > > full-length mirror feeding his anus cocaine with
<DIV></DIV>> > a
<DIV></DIV>> > > > tiny spoon, and what do I
<DIV></DIV>> > > > find? Even more madness. Buba seems to be making
<DIV></DIV>> > > > some existenial pun on
<DIV></DIV>> > > > "exit" (as in "No Exit"?) and "exist" (as in
<DIV></DIV>> > being
<DIV></DIV>> > > > and non-being?)Or maybe
<DIV></DIV>> > > > he just can't spell. Both Manson and Osama have
<DIV></DIV>> > > > "exited" but so far as I
<DIV></DIV>> > > > know they both presently exist-- Manson in
<DIV></DIV>> > jail,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Osama most likely in
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Pakistan.Even if they are both dead. they will
<DIV></DIV>> > > > continue to exist in our
<DIV></DIV>> > > > hearts( or elsewhere in our anatomies, like
<DIV></DIV>> > > > veritable burrs in the saddle).
<DIV></DIV>> > > > What does it mean to exist, anyway?
<DIV></DIV>> > > > On the other hand, Billy Jim-Bob sends us a
<DIV></DIV>> > weird
<DIV></DIV>> > > > web-page in Portuguese, a
<DIV></DIV>> > > > language which makes no sense to me at all-- why
<DIV></DIV>> > > > don't they just speak
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Spanish? Actually, the page looked kind of
<DIV></DIV>> > > > interesting, but translation,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > please! And while you're at it, Billy Jim, I'm
<DIV></DIV>> > an
<DIV></DIV>> > > > expert in Pataphysics, but
<DIV></DIV>> > > > I'll wager many on the list are unfamiliar with
<DIV></DIV>> > it.
<DIV></DIV>> > > > One leading
<DIV></DIV>> > > > 'pataphysician, Boris Vian, was known to remark
<DIV></DIV>> > that
<DIV></DIV>> > > > he felt all veterans
<DIV></DIV>> > > > should be shot, because they return from the
<DIV></DIV>> > wars
<DIV></DIV>> > > > and persist in talking
<DIV></DIV>> > > > about the nobility of it all-- sentiments I
<DIV></DIV>> > hardily
<DIV></DIV>> > > > snicker at, but dare
<DIV></DIV>> > > > not agree with too openly, for there are too
<DIV></DIV>> > many
<DIV></DIV>> > > > veterans on this list,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > including the Arab-killer extraordinaire, der
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Mike-meister!
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > And let's hear more from Forrest Gunther, a true
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Pataphysician if there ever
<DIV></DIV>> > > > were one, even if he does not exist at all!
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Jon
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >From: "Wayne Johnson" <CADAOBH2@BRGNET.COM>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >To: "Jim Strong" <STRONGJIM@YAHOO.COM>, "Jon
<DIV></DIV>> > Ford"
<DIV></DIV>> > > > ><JONMFORDSTER@HOTMAIL.COM>,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > <AUSTIN-GHETTO-LIST@PAIRLIST.NET>
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Subject: RE: Manson-Osama connection?
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:10:11 -0500
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Bubba calls 'em as he understands 'em. In
<DIV></DIV>> > other
<DIV></DIV>> > > > worlds they gotta have
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >demonstrative and verifiable existences. In
<DIV></DIV>> > the
<DIV></DIV>> > > > words of Waldenheim Wiest
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >von Goethe, late of Taylor..."belief ain't the
<DIV></DIV>> > same
<DIV></DIV>> > > > as knowledge."
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On
<DIV></DIV>> > > > Behalf Of Jim Strong
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:42 PM
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >To: Wayne Johnson; Jon Ford;
<DIV></DIV>> > > > austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Subject: RE: Manson-Osama connection?
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >Or, as the esteemed Pataphysician said,
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >"Jean-Paul Poulhan ne existe pas"
<DIV></DIV>> > > > >cf:
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.artesonline.al.org.br/4/arte2.htm
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >-------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> >
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<DIV></DIV>>The peace of the cosmos is infinite motion
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