[Austin-ghetto-list] Re: identifying the enemy?

[Bill Irwin]

telebob said "This is Ted Kazynski-esque intolerance on a  grand scale. "

Good comparison Bob: Bin Ladin - Ted Kaznski with an army.
Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: telebob x <telebob@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: identifying the enemy?


>
> Jeff-
>
> Now and then I agree with you.  The enemies are numerous, and each of them
> has the motivation, opportunity, and resources to wreak havoc. Their goal
is
> nothing less than to start a major war between the Muslim/Arabic states
and
> the "West".  The present confrontation happening at the (so far)
diplomatic
> level with Pakistan is proceeding according to their playbook.
>
> Whether it is Bin Laden, Hamas, or Mummar Ghadaffi, in a way, is hair
> splitting. What we must realize is that the perps wish a suicidal war
> between the West (modernity, capitalism, christianity, secular humanism,
> corporatism, etc) and the Muslim states who follow the will of "God" (as
> interpreted by the Mullahs) as the eventual outcome. In their minds it is
> better to polarize these ideologies and bring them into physical battle
> where their God can sort them out.
>
> For them, every warlike act that pits the 'Muslims vs. the Modernists' is
a
> step in the right direction. This is Ted Kazynski-esque intolerance on a
> grand scale.  No political force is as strong as resentment.  It was the
> motivating ideology of the Nazis, of the Communists, and even, if you
will,
> the Christians.  The anger that the fundamentalist Moslem clerics feel
> toward Modernity and the West is endless. And no evil is worse than fear
and
> resentment cloaked in a tunic of righteousness.
>
> I think we are all tasked now with the burden of being at war...but it is
a
> war of hearts and minds (that phrase again), not of arms and might.  I
> agree, we must hunt the dogs who did this down and bring them to some kind
> of justice, not that true 'justice' can ever be done as retribution, but
we
> are now at war with disparate 'soldiers of misfortune' (William Safire's
> phrase), and we cannot let injustice be a tool to seek justice. The worst
> thing we can do is to punish the wrong people.
>
> Telebob
>
> PS- That analysis sent by Roger's guys looked pretty good to me.
>
>
> [Robert N. Simmons]  -----Original Message-----
> From: Your Libertarian [mailto:nightbyrd@nightbyrd.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:56 PM
> To: etc,
> Subject: Who's Responsible for the Bombings
>
>
> Amigos,
>
> I've felt that there is a quick rush to judgement that the Bin Laden
> organization is responsible for the bombing of the World Trade Center. Bin
> Laden's our boogey man. Intelligence with a 36 billion dollar budget
clearly
> didn't have a clue. They had more than a year to get wind of this multi
> faceted terrorist plot and came up with nothing. So why should we now
> believe Bin Laden's organization is the culprit?
>
> The reason it matters so much is if we hit the wrong people and kill
> civilians then we are a high tech version of the terrorists. ( I wonder
what
> the good guiltless folk in Belgrade who died under our bombs while the
> rulers were hidden in bunkers feel tonight? )  I hope our government
doesn't
> start bombing to seem like they are solving the problem and kill a bunch
of
> poor Afghanis who probably hate the Nazi-like Taliban as much as we.
>
> I read a very good Russian site for differing view points sometimes
> www.english.pravda.ru
>
> I picked up this interesting article that fingers a possible group we
never
> hear mentioned in the US media. Also this terrorist attack could have
easily
> been engineered by Hamas. The Kamikaze bombings in Israel are the work of
> the well funded Hamas organization. Could also be here? As in any crime
you
> look to who has motivation.
>
> Nightbyrd
>
> This is the piece from Pravda:
>
> Experts of Russia' Federal Security Service voiced today their version of
> who may be behind the terrorist attacks on the USA. In their view, it may
> have been the fundamental Islamic organization "Jamaat Islamia." The
experts
> are sure that the "Jamaat Islamia" commands vast financial resources
> sufficient for preparation and perpetration of large-scale and
> well-coordinated acts of terrorism in any part of the globe, according to
> the RIA Novosti news agency.
> The headquarters of this radical group is located in Afghanistan. It also
> has branches in UAE, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
> The experts also say that it was this group that, in all likelihood, had
> masterminded and "sponsored" the explosions that demolished residential
> blocks in Moscow and the town of Volgodonsk (southern Russia) two years
ago.
> Comparing details of the terrorist attacks in Moscow and the USA, FSB
> experts pointed out that the terrorists in both cases attempted to
> intimidate the state and population to achieve their political goals.
> Initially, the idea of perpetrating such acts from the air was voiced in
> 1996 by Movladi Udugov, the Vakhabist ideologist in Chechnya. He, in
public,
> threatened Moscow that Chechen separatists would use a civilian airliner
> with komikazes onboard and direct it to the Kremlin. As for exploding
> residential buildings in Moscow and Volgodonsk, it has been found that
those
> terrorist acts were organized by Vakhabite Achimez Gochiyayev guided by
Arab
> terrorists Hattab and Abu Umar. Arab mercenary Abu Umar has been
eliminated
> by federal forces in Chechnya. Gochiyayev is believed to still hiding in
the
> Pankiss Gorge in the Republic of Georgia.
>
>
>
> telebob@hotmail.com
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> 512 440 1862 Austin, TX
>
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