King of evildoers says he got the nuke
Jim Baldauf
jfbaldauf@prodigy.net
Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:03:09 -0600
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>I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. -- Roger<
John Ashcroft, the Singing Attorney General, will break the code
and publish it very soon. I just hope he doesn't find the references=20
to the Austin Ghetto crowd. (Some of us have already been heard=20
making unpatriotic remarks.)=20
jb
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roger Baker=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:22 AM
Subject: King of evildoers says he got the nuke
But he won't use them unless we use them first. And all his wives are=20
Arab, and he doesn't have kidney disease.=20
I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. -- Roger
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http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm
10 November 2001 Saturday 23 Shaban 1422=20
Osama claims he has nukes: If US uses N-arms it will get same response =
By Hamid Mir=20
KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical and =
nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we =
reserve the right to use them".
He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of =
Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul.=20
This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after =
the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington.=20
The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the =
night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one could hear =
the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait of some time , =
Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and =
answered questions.=20
Hamid Mir: After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told =
the Al-Jazeera TV that the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by some =
Muslims. How did you know they were Muslims ?=20
Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the =
suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that the persons named were =
involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of whom 15 belonged to =
Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. According to the =
information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held for them in =
their homes. But America said they were hijackers.=20
HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the =
Sept 11 attacks, although a large number of innocent people perished in =
them, hundreds among them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing of =
innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ?
OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy =
occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human shield, then =
it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if bandits barge =
into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father can attack =
the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt.=20
America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya, =
Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in =
reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should not live in the land =
of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at women =
and children. The real targets were America's icons of military and =
economic power.=20
The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and =
children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked why was she =
killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon against Muslims, =
then it is permitted to kill him.=20
The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their =
government, they elect their president, their government manufactures =
arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre =
Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and =
this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities =
perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because they elect the =
Congress.
I ask the American people to force their government to give up =
anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their =
government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The American =
people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government.=20
HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not =
the American people ?=20
OSB: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad =
(peace be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to =
indulge massacring people. We ourselves are the target of killings, =
destruction and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is =
defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is why =
I say that if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not get =
security.=20
This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand. =
This is the formula of live and let live.=20
HM: The head of Egypt's Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict) =
against you, saying that the views and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have =
nothing to do with Islam. What do you have to say about that ?=20
OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is =
full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify the occupation of =
Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of American troops =
around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for their =
personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell me =
if Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli forces =
occupy our land and the American troops are on our territory. We have no =
other option but to launch Jihad.=20
HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical =
and nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in such reports?=20
OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday (Oct 7). =
He was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to attack with =
weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America used =
chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical =
and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent.=20
HM: Where did you get these weapons from ?=20
OSB: Go to the next question.
HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against =
American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were =
non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ?=20
OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West. =
American media instigates them against Muslims. However, some =
good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks because =
human nature abhors injustice.=20
The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware =
that some officers of the State Department had resigned in protest. Many =
years ago the US ambassador in Egypt had resigned in protest against the =
policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are everywhere. =
The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage.=20
HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think =
that some political formula could be found to stop the present war ?=20
OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war. =
We are only defending ourselves.
HM: If America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was =
liberated, would you then present yourself for trial in some Muslim =
country ?
OSB: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the =
English law. I don't consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the =
Americans have charges against me, we too have a charge sheet against =
them.=20
HM: Pakistan government decided to cooperate with America after Sept =
11, which you don't consider right. What do you think Pakistan should =
have done but to cooperate with America ?
OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the people =
in view. It should not have surrendered to the unjustified demands of =
America. America does not have solid proof against us. It just has some =
surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those surmises.=20
HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of India and =
Israel, what would have we done ?
OSB: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We will not =
leave the Pakistani people and the Pakistani territory at anybody's =
mercy
.=20
We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez =
Musharraf. He says that the majority is with him. I say the majority is =
against him.=20
Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It =
is no wisdom to barter off blood of Afghan brethren to improve =
Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the Pakistani people and =
Allah.=20
Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in =
Afghanistan. All the big powers are united against Muslims. It is ' =
sawab ' to participate in this war.=20
HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had =
secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ?=20
OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One =
British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with Islamabad =
dateline with one of my sons who lives in Saudi Arabia. All this is =
false.
HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your =
daughter is Mulla Omar's wife ?
OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are =
married to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla =
Omar. He is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear =
anyone but Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or =
obligation to me. He is only discharging his religious duty. I, too, =
have not chosen this life out of any personal consideration.=20
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<DIV>>I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. =
--=20
Roger<<BR></DIV>
<DIV>John Ashcroft, the Singing Attorney General, will break the =
code</DIV>
<DIV>and publish it very soon. I just hope he doesn't find the =
references </DIV>
<DIV>to the Austin Ghetto crowd. (Some of us have already been =
heard </DIV>
<DIV>making unpatriotic remarks.) </DIV>
<DIV>jb</DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com" =
title=3Drcbaker@eden.infohwy.com>Roger=20
Baker</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"=20
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A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 10, =
2001 2:22=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> King of evildoers says =
he got=20
the nuke</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>But he won't use them unless we use them first. And all =
his=20
wives are <BR>Arab, and he doesn't have kidney disease. <BR><BR>I'm =
still=20
searching for the coded messages in this interview. --=20
Roger<BR><BR>************************************<BR><BR><BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm">http://www.dawn.com/2001=
/11/10/top1.htm</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>10=20
November 2001 Saturday 23 Shaban 1422 <BR><BR>Osama claims he has =
nukes: If US=20
uses N-arms it will get same response <BR>By Hamid Mir =
<BR><BR><BR>KABUL, Nov=20
9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical and nuclear weapons =
as a=20
deterrent and if America used them against us we reserve the right to =
use=20
them".<BR><BR>He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the =
editor=20
of Ausaf, for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul.=20
<BR><BR>This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist =
after=20
the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington. <BR><BR>The =
correspondent=20
was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the night of Nov 7 to a =
place=20
where it was extremely cold and one could hear the sound of =
anti-aircraft guns=20
firing away. After a wait of some time , Osama arrived with about a =
dozen=20
bodyguards and Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and answered questions. <BR>Hamid =
Mir:=20
After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told the =
Al-Jazeera TV=20
that the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by some Muslims. How did =
you=20
know they were Muslims ? <BR><BR>Osama bin Laden: The Americans =
themselves=20
released a list of the suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that =
the=20
persons named were involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of =
whom 15=20
belonged to Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. =
According=20
to the information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held =
for them=20
in their homes. But America said they were hijackers. <BR>HM: In your=20
statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the Sept 11 =
attacks,=20
although a large number of innocent people perished in them, hundreds =
among=20
them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing of innocent men in the =
light of=20
Islamic teachings ?<BR><BR>OBL: This is a major point in =
jurisprudence. In my=20
view, if an enemy occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people =
as human=20
shield, then it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if =
bandits=20
barge into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father =
can attack=20
the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt. =
<BR><BR>America=20
and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya, Kashmir and =
Iraq.=20
The Muslims have the right to attack America in reprisal. The Islamic =
Shariat=20
says Muslims should not live in the land of the infidel for long. The =
Sept 11=20
attacks were not targeted at women and children. The real targets were =
America's icons of military and economic power. <BR><BR>The Holy =
Prophet=20
(peace be upon him) was against killing women and children. When he =
saw a dead=20
woman during a war, he asked why was she killed ? If a child is above =
13 and=20
wields a weapon against Muslims, then it is permitted to kill him. =
<BR>The=20
American people should remember that they pay taxes to their =
government, they=20
elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives =
them to=20
Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians. The American =
Congress=20
endorses all government measures and this proves that the entire =
America is=20
responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims. The entire =
America, because they elect the Congress.<BR><BR>I ask the American =
people to=20
force their government to give up anti-Muslim policies. The American =
people=20
had risen against their government's war in Vietnam. They must do the =
same=20
today. The American people should stop the massacre of Muslims by =
their=20
government. <BR><BR>HM: Can it be said that you are against the =
American=20
government, not the American people ? <BR><BR>OSB: Yes! We are =
carrying on the=20
mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). The mission is =
to spread=20
the word of God, not to indulge massacring people. We ourselves are =
the target=20
of killings, destruction and atrocities. We are only defending =
ourselves. This=20
is defensive Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is =
why I=20
say that if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not get =
security.=20
<BR><BR>This is a simple formula that even an American child can =
understand.=20
This is the formula of live and let live. <BR><BR>HM: The head of =
Egypt's=20
Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict) against you, saying that the =
views=20
and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have nothing to do with Islam. What do =
you have=20
to say about that ? <BR><BR>OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has =
no value=20
for me. History is full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify =
the=20
occupation of Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of =
American=20
troops around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for =
their=20
personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell =
me if=20
Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli forces =
occupy=20
our land and the American troops are on our territory. We have no =
other option=20
but to launch Jihad. <BR><BR>HM: Some Western media claim that you are =
trying=20
to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in =
such=20
reports? <BR><BR>OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush =
yesterday=20
(Oct 7). He was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to =
attack=20
with weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America =
used=20
chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with =
chemical and=20
nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent. <BR><BR>HM: Where =
did you=20
get these weapons from ? <BR><BR>OSB: Go to the next =
question.<BR><BR>HM:=20
Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against =
American=20
attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were non-Muslims. =
What is=20
your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ? <BR><BR>OSB: There =
are many=20
innocent and good-hearted people in the West. American media =
instigates them=20
against Muslims. However, some good-hearted people are protesting =
against=20
American attacks because human nature abhors injustice. <BR><BR>The =
Muslims=20
were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware that some =
officers=20
of the State Department had resigned in protest. Many years ago the US =
ambassador in Egypt had resigned in protest against the policies of =
President=20
Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are everywhere. The Jewish lobby has =
taken=20
America and the West hostage. <BR><BR>HM: Some people say that war is =
no=20
solution to any issue. Do you think that some political formula could =
be found=20
to stop the present war ? <BR><BR>OSB: You should put this question to =
those=20
who have started this war. We are only defending ourselves.<BR><BR>HM: =
If=20
America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was liberated, =
would=20
you then present yourself for trial in some Muslim country =
?<BR><BR>OSB: Only=20
Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the English law. I =
don't=20
consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the Americans have =
charges=20
against me, we too have a charge sheet against them. <BR><BR>HM: =
Pakistan=20
government decided to cooperate with America after Sept 11, which you =
don't=20
consider right. What do you think Pakistan should have done but to =
cooperate=20
with America ?<BR><BR>OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the =
wishes=20
of the people in view. It should not have surrendered to the =
unjustified=20
demands of America. America does not have solid proof against us. It =
just has=20
some surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those =
surmises.=20
<BR><BR>HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of =
India and=20
Israel, what would have we done ?<BR><BR>OSB: What has America =
achieved by=20
attacking Afghanistan ? We will not leave the Pakistani people and the =
Pakistani territory at anybody's mercy<BR>. <BR>We will defend =
Pakistan. But=20
we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez Musharraf. He says that the =
majority=20
is with him. I say the majority is against him. <BR><BR>Bush has used =
the word=20
crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It is no wisdom to barter =
off=20
blood of Afghan brethren to improve Pakistan's economy. He will be =
punished by=20
the Pakistani people and Allah. <BR>Right now a great war of Islamic =
history=20
is being fought in Afghanistan. All the big powers are united against =
Muslims.=20
It is ' sawab ' to participate in this war. <BR><BR>HM: A French =
newspaper has=20
claimed that you had kidney problem and had secretly gone to Dubai for =
treatment last year. Is that correct ? <BR><BR>OSB: My kidneys are all =
right.=20
I did not go to Dubai last year. One British newspaper has published =
an=20
imaginary interview with Islamabad dateline with one of my sons who =
lives in=20
Saudi Arabia. All this is false.<BR><BR>HM: Is it correct that a =
daughter of=20
Mulla Omar is your wife or your daughter is Mulla Omar's wife =
?<BR><BR>OSB:=20
(Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are married to =
Arab=20
Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla Omar. He is a =
great and=20
brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear anyone but Allah. He is not =
under=20
any personal relationship or obligation to me. He is only discharging =
his=20
religious duty. I, too, have not chosen this life out of any personal=20
consideration. <BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><?/fontfamily></BODY></HTML>
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