Argus giving wrong bytes results ?

Mike Tancsa mike at sentex.ca
Thu Jul 8 22:14:37 EDT 2010


At 12:39 PM 7/6/2010, Carter Bullard wrote:
>Hey  Mike,
>I did make some changes to the clients to deal with your netflow problem.
>Did you get a chance to test whether the latest radium() is behaving better?

Hi Carter,
         Sorry for the delay. I just tried with the latest version, 
and still I am getting bogus netflow results. I built radium on 
FreeBSD 7.3 just with the default ./configure


racluster -L0 -nr radium.arg - srcid 192.168.1.82 | head
          StartTime    Flgs  Proto            SrcAddr  Sport   Dir 
         DstAddr  Dport  TotPkts   TotBytes State
    21:57:00.190000 
Ne         udp    192.168.1.118.123       ->     192.168.1.82.123 
86469112 1037629354   INT
    21:57:11.670000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.62830     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
    5        403   FIN
    21:57:14.706000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.59931     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
36028797 8358962383   FIN
    21:57:16.186000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.51973     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
    5        403   FIN
    21:57:19.730000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.58569     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
    5        403   FIN
    21:57:23.886000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.55401     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
    6        407   FIN
    21:57:24.794000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.63774     ->      10.1.1.4.9010 
    5        402   FIN
    21:57:26.006000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.51267     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
    5        403   FIN
    21:57:26.134000 
Ne         tcp     192.168.1.81.53147     ->      10.1.1.3.9010 
36028797 8431019977   FIN

         ---Mike


>Carter
>
>On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>
> > At 11:08 AM 6/10/2010, Carter Bullard wrote:
> >> Hey Mike,
> >> I'll need to get either your argus data file, or a flow-tools 
> like netflow file, or the pcap to fix this problem,
> >> if that is workable for you.    Can't seem to replicate it here 
> with anything I have.
> >
> > Hi,
> >        I was just putting it together when your email came in :) 
> I will send offlist.
> >
> >        ---Mike
> >
> >> Carter
> >>
> >> On Jun 8, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Actually, I think I found what might be a bug in radium at 
> least.  Using the lastest dev version (Radium Version 3.0.3.11), I 
> get some strange netflow results as compared to radium 3.0.2.  The 
> packet counts should be 5, not 36028797.  I can send pcaps offline 
> of the netflow data if you like. Its just from a tiny cisco Frame 
> router.  Starting up the old version of radium gives the correct 
> results. I use the same .conf file for both.
> >> >
> >> > 12:28:53.988000 Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.51857     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        402 FSPA_
> >> >   12:28:54.709000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.55318     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        386 FSPA_
> >> >   12:28:55.517000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.53690     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:28:55.617000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.60303     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:28:58.433000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.60752     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:28:58.713000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.57136     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:02.969000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.60152     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        401 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:04.297000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.53716     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 8358962383 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:07.231000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.51299     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 8358962383 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:15.879000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.58679     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        401 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:17.887000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.50642     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:19.111000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.55935     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 8358962383 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:19.603000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.51737     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 8431019977 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:25.389000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.56375     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        411 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:29.993000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.64352     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 8286904789 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:30.121000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.53483     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        403 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:41.178000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.51055     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        386 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:46.166000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.52996     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        386 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:46.590000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.65290     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        401 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:48.298000 
> Ne         tcp     199.212.135.83.54323     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        387 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:50.778000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.53839     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 7926616819 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:52.671000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.55540     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010  36028797 7998674413 FSPA_
> >> >   12:29:54.507000 
> Ne         tcp     192.168.135.81.59975     -> 
> 10.10.197.3.9010         5        386 FSPA_
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 06:33 AM 6/8/2010, carter at qosient.com wrote:
> >> >> There is a HUGE difference between per transaction flow data 
> and interface counters. If you simply print out your Argus data, 
> you can see this. ra -r argus.data.file You have to transform the 
> bi-directional flow data, that accounts for conversations, into 
> RMON style data, that counts ingress and egress packets based on a 
> layer 2 address.If you want to compare SNMP interface counters with 
> Argus data, you will need to use any aggregator, such as racluster, 
> ragator, or rabins, using the "rmon" mode, modifying the flow key 
> to track one of the Mac addresses in the records. racluster -m smac 
> -M rmon -r argus.data.fileNow the src and dst counters will look 
> like interface egress and ingress counters, respectively.ragraph(), 
> supports this style of aggregation. ragraph sbytes dbytes -t time 
> 5s -m smac -M rmon -r argus.data.fileBUT, you will have to modify 
> your argus.conf to enable ARGUS_GENERATE_MAC_DATA so that you have 
> layer 2 information in your argus data.Carter
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >> >> From: Reykjavik hindisvik <hindisvik at gmail.com>
> >> >> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:23:23 +0200
> >> >> To: <carter at qosient.com>
> >> >> Cc: 
> <argus-info-bounces+carter=qosient.com at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>; 
> Argus<argus-info at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [ARGUS] Argus giving wrong bytes results ?
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for your answers. I have tried using sapp_bytes and 
> dapp_bytes, the result downloading a file seems to be correct but 
> it does not fix my issue : Outbound traffic is not really OK and 
> Inbound is absolutely wrong (50Mb instead of 100Mb...)
> >> >>
> >> >> What I would like to do is tu use the result of racount -r 
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.ra to draw a graph with cacti.
> >> >> One problem is the ra file will be huge so I'm compelled to 
> rotate it every 5 minutes, and I have to tell Cacti it's a Gauge 
> data source, not a counter data source.
> >> >> Has anyone ever tried to do this?
> >> >> Is there a argus command which will be more appropriated than 
> raccount ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Before using Argus I was using SNMP with InOctets and 
> OutOctet, and on Linux deveices I was using Iptables+accounting 
> (which was giving me a COUNTER type cacti value).
> >> >>
> >> >> Here is my agent server conf file :
> >> >>
> >> >> ARGUS_FLOW_TYPE="Bidirectional"
> >> >> ARGUS_FLOW_KEY="CLASSIC_5_TUPLE"
> >> >> ARGUS_DAEMON=yes
> >> >> ARGUS_MONITOR_ID=`hostname`
> >> >> ARGUS_ACCESS_PORT=561
> >> >> ARGUS_INTERFACE=eth1
> >> >> ARGUS_SET_PID=yes
> >> >> ARGUS_PID_PATH="/var/run"
> >> >> ARGUS_FLOW_STATUS_INTERVAL=0.5
> >> >> ARGUS_MAR_STATUS_INTERVAL=60
> >> >> ARGUS_DEBUG_LEVEL=0
> >> >> ARGUS_GENERATE_RESPONSE_TIME_DATA=no
> >> >> ARGUS_GENERATE_PACKET_SIZE=no
> >> >> ARGUS_GENERATE_JITTER_DATA=no
> >> >> ARGUS_GENERATE_MAC_DATA=no
> >> >> ARGUS_GENERATE_APPBYTE_METRIC=yes
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanx you for your ideas, I'm a bit stuck...
> >> >>
> >> >> H.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/6/7 <<mailto:carter at qosient.com>carter at qosient.com>
> >> >> Also, Argus uses a different definition for source and 
> destination since Argus works with flow data not interface data, 
> and that can cause confusion.
> >> >>
> >> >> What are the differences that you are seeing? How are you 
> running the client programs?
> >> >>
> >> >> Carter
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------
> >> >> From: Reykjavik hindisvik 
> <<mailto:hindisvik at gmail.com>hindisvik at gmail.com>
> >> >> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:31:42 +0200
> >> >> To: 
> <<mailto:argus-info at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>argus-info at lists.andrew.cmu.edu>
> >> >> Subject: [ARGUS] Argus giving wrong bytes results ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> I would like to use argus to draw graph of bandwidth usage 
> for our network. Today, I'm using SNMP which give me a graph of my 
> bandwidth, and I've setup Argus which draw the same graph for the 
> same Network Interface but does not give me the same results at all...
> >> >>
> >> >> I can't believe it's a bug but I bet it's just a different 
> way to get the packets and maybe there's an option to get the same 
> results as I have with SNMP.
> >> >>
> >> >> For example : When I download a 130Mb File, SNMP show me 
> 130MB, but Argus show me much more (maybe be it includes size of 
> header or something that SNMP don't...) and for me the result in the right.
> >> >> So my question is :
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) What does exactly makes the difference ?
> >> >> 2) Is there a way to get the same results (option or something...)
> >> >> 3) Maybe I can recount it after with a math formula to get 
> the same results, but which formula ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanx for your ideas.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> H.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Mike Tancsa,                                      tel +1 519 651 3400
> >> > Sentex Communications,                            mike at sentex.net
> >> > Providing Internet since 1994                    www.sentex.net
> >> > Cambridge, Ontario Canada                         www.sentex.net/mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Carter Bullard
> >> CEO/President
> >> QoSient, LLC
> >> 150 E 57th Street Suite 12D
> >> New York, New York  10022
> >>
> >> +1 212 588-9133 Phone
> >> +1 212 588-9134 Fax
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Carter Bullard
>CEO/President
>QoSient, LLC
>150 E 57th Street Suite 12D
>New York, New York  10022
>
>+1 212 588-9133 Phone
>+1 212 588-9134 Fax
>
>
>
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